Debate:Are we saved by faith or works
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Works, I say. Misterlinx 12:26, 25 January 2008 (EST)
- Bible says differently. -^_^- Fuzzy 21:37, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
There is nothing to be saved from, at least not anything beyond our own lives. The above argument is part of the reason I have no faith. How can a man that believes in God and the Jesus is the son of God escape eternal damnations without doing right? Then if faith alone is not the key, why not just do works? So that's what I do.--Snotbowst 22:58, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
What does the Bible say?
Some people see a contradiction in the bible here, but it's actually clear in that faith and works go hand in hand. Let me explain. James chapter 2:24-26 shows that faith without works is dead. So to have faith in something, but not do anything with it is dead. So if I believed that a bridge would get me across the river, but never used it, it is pointless, and means nothing..."Oh, but I don't like bridges" doesn't make proof that I have faith that a bridge will get me across a river. Or a car...imagine getting in a car, and saying "I know that this car will get me to work", but after getting into it, a person just sits there. Faith without works is dead.
Where the contradiction comes in some people's eyes is when Paul speaks of works as opposed to faith. It is in Romans chapter 3 and 4, and shows that the people's faith declares them righteous APART from works...of law....Paul is speaking to the Romans here, and he even says after that statement "Or is he the God of the Jews only?
A better clarification is with Abraham himself, and in Romans 4:3 quotes an earlier scripture that says "For what does the scripture say? "Abraham exercised (a very important word to consider with this faith) faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness.
So a man's faith is shown by his works, as a mans works will also show up his faith.
In other words, as James says to us "become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning."
Exwikipediaperson 15:02, 6 August 2014 (EDT)