Debate:Has Britain become the 51st State of the US?

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What the bloody… er, well, what kind of question is this? --Hacker(Write some code) 13:57, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

this may be the dumbest question everBohdan

Um...no. --Sulgran 21:21, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

No. In fact, the United States only has 50 states. Embarkr 17:12, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

Some Americans might like to think so, but no it hasn't. Not in the opinion of this expat Brit anyway, and I've only been in the US for five years.--Britinme 21:23, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

I say there old chum, it's more like the US has re-established itself as a colony of the Brits. Bloody well on the way to that! When the North American Union is established we'll all be wearing the Union Jack on our heads. You really didn't think the United Kingdom would be giving Canada to us did you?--Roopilots6 20:54, 20 April 2007 (EDT)


So what exactly do you base your theory of this evil British plan on?

Middle Man

Current events that are facts and not evil theory. I guess you didn't know what happened at the Earth Summit I in 1992 in Rio de Janeiro? How about the 2002 Earth Summit II in Johannesburg, South Africa? Never heard of Agenda 21, Sustainable Development, public-private partnerships? Remember in 1972 when the first Earth Summit was held in Stockholm, Sweden? Ever heard of Earth Day? Ever read about Prince Charles beliefs in the Gaia hypothesis that are written into the UN's Earth Charter? How the EU came from the European Economic Community the same way the North American Union is coming from NAFTA and GATT. Right, just an evil theory old chap.--Roopilots6 13:01, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
[citation needed] Let's pretend your theories/facts are true. How is a united earth a bad thing? GordonF 18:54, 15 March 2009

I'd hardly call a justified concern for the environment an attempt by the British to take over the world.

Middle Man


Wow! Just another good citizen of the world. That's all that is, just a justified concern for the environment. That's a good one. I feel all warm and safe now. Thanks, and happy earth day!--Roopilots6 14:43, 22 April 2007 (EDT)


Well yeah, that's all it is.

Middle Man


If conservatives would only be half as thorough in scrutinizing conspiracy theories as they are with evolution, it would take them less than 5 minutes to see that this kind of right wing conspiracy is utter paranoid bullsh**.

Middle Man

Alright then, you can live in your little world where conservatives only have conspiracy theories and liberals have their evolutionary theories. I'll just keep studying geo-politics as they happen in real time. I did mention those as real events that actually happened? They weren't conspiracy nor theory. Actual, documented events. History has taught us that governments are just working for the common good of us all as well as having a justified concern for the environment.--Roopilots6 16:12, 23 April 2007 (EDT)


Maybe, you're right, maybe the liberal British do have a plan to take over America, you know what, I bet the communists are secretly involved in it too!

Doesn't matter though, if they try anything, America will just send its black helicopters in (if they're not too busy mutilating cows of course), maybe they could even use that flying saucer they stashed away in area 51 to nuke the British! Nevertheless you should watch out for flanking movements by the communist Bigfoot army led by Elvis The Immortal.

Middle Man

"Vulgas vult decepi" :::"The people wish to be deceived." - Phaedrus 15BC-50AD--Roopilots6 10:42, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
This is why British people are almost always portrayed as evil villains by Hollywood...... Read on...

BRITAIN IS REPOSSESSING THE U.S.A. A Message from John Cleese to the citizens of the United States of America:

In light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (excepting Kansas, which she does not fancy). Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint a governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

(You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary)

Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.

2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters and the suffix -ize will be replaced by the suffix -ise. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels (look up 'vocabulary').

3. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as US English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of '-ize'. You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save The Queen.

4. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

5. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent.

6. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

7. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.

8. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

9. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) -- roughly $6/US gallon. Get used to it.

10. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

11. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as Beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

12. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

13. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full Kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

14. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable.

15. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

16. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

17. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 pm with proper cups, never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; strawberries in season! --Eyupdutch 04:04, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

On October 24, 1945, the U.N. Charter was ratified and sovereign nations became nation-states under the United Nations. The consolidation of these mere states in economic trade regions is still ongoing. The EU model for europe is being followed by the NAU (North American Union). links: http://www.spp.gov/ http://www.nascocorridor.com/ The new north and south borders will be northern Canada and southern Mexico. So, that's a no on Britain to become the 51st State of the US.--Roopilots6 16:19, 30 April 2007 (EDT)


Europe has become stronger, both economically and politically, because of the EU, the EU also guarantees peace among its members.

The same would be true for an economic and political union between the U.S. and Canada, if they merge the best of the two countries. But, I don't see what Canada and the U.S. would gain from an economic union with Mexico, in any case this has nothing to do with Britain.

Middle Man

Regional economics for Europe and North America. Right you are right that once swallowed up there will be no longer a need to fight one another. You merely make them your subjects so that they are no longer a threat. Of which Britain is a part of all of these goings on. Apparently you've heard nothing about the little illegal immigration problem between Mexico and the U.S.A? The Queen was also just here recently also as part of the formalization of the US and EU economies. Just amuch ado about nothing then? I see.--Roopilots6 11:52, 28 May 2007 (EDT)


Roo, old bean, I'm a Brit and we don't all talk like that, don't ye know? EU, NAU, and whatever else means very little in the context of this discussion. What matters is that I can drink Coca-Cola, drive my Ford, eat some vague plasticky rubbish in McDonalds, pop into Starbucks, go home and watch CSI followed by Friends followed by whatever other tripe gets served up... The French call it Coco-Colonisation. --Beanbag 18:58, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

A British point of view

Politically, successive British governments have found it hard to strike a balance between our "special relationship" with the US (as Winston Churchill termed it) and our allegiance to the European Union. Personally, as a British patriot I don't like to see our sovereignty compromised by either institution - but as a realist I recognise that we can't stand completely alone in the modern world, and that we need economic and political ties to other nations. However, I don't think this debate is asking the right question - we're in less danger of becoming a 51st US state than of becoming part of a monolithic United States of Europe. I don't want to be a scaremonger - the EU isn't an evil institution, and it has a valuable purpose in terms of our economic links to our neighbours - but we have to guard our national independence against encroachment. Palace1 13:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

the reason for people calling britain wuld be that britain has in a way being going on the tracks of the unitited states or vaguely as people describe it ''''doing whatever us asks them to''''. i'd say britain may be going on the tracks of the united states but it also has a reason for it because not only was united states a part of Britain at one time but it also has somewhat the the same culture and language. it is this which gives the influence to england to somewhat negotiate with the united states of america. another reason would be that united states and britain have been two allied contries for a very long time especially since united states of america became a very powerful state. these factors somewhat set the base for the reasons for britain negotiating with the united states but we call britain 51state because we don't understand the point that them so well allied it is obvious that they compromise have such a relationship between them, just like us and canada. i would call both of them brothers and good brothers always get along well each other. now if britain is called 51st state because britain is weak and is as also vaguely people say. "taking pro tection from the united states" then let me say that britain is also a first world country and also one of the strongest economies in the world. we might be forgeting that it has he strongest currency in the world. - kanishka(indian)

I really hope that all Americans do not hold the views that either the British want you back as a colony, or that we are just going to do whatever you want. We are an independant country, not the 51st state of the US
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