Debate:Is universal health care better than market-based medicine?

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So-called universal health care winds up being an inefficient government monopoly at best, and a corrupt system that benefits the ruling class at its worst. In North Korea and Cuba, only party elites have access to good hospitals or drugs.

Even in democracies which are experimenting with UHC, the decision about whether to approve surgery, therapy or prescription medication is made a by a committee far removed from the patient. The result is that people are routinely turned down for operations or drugs that they are willing to pay for, or even travel to another country for.

Very few Americans go to Canada to get the latest medications. The cross-border traffic is all the other way. --Ed Poor Talk 14:07, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

I don't know about North Korea or Cuba, but in the European countries that I am familiar with good medical care is not restricted to party elites and medical decisions are taken by physicians who have a professional obligation to act in the best interests of their patients. Also in most of these countries health care is not a government monopoly. You seem to be confusing universal health care with communism. --Jalapeno 16:07, 11 July 2007 (EDT)


"Very few Americans go to Canada to get the latest medications. The cross-border traffic is all the other way." Umm..., lots of Americans -mostly retirees- come to Canada to buy meds - it was a huge story a couple of years back. And I doubt the American government would pay to fly any of its citizens to another country for treatment if that was the patient's best option. PFoster 16:09, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Exactly my point: Cuba pays for its top leaders to fly to other countries (or fly in specialists), because even for their elites their healthcare isn't as good as "profit-driven" America's.
Patients seeking to avoid year-long painful waits for surgery and other treatment go to America, because they can get treatment which is denied to them by government-monopoly insurers in Canada.
Debate is one thing, deceit is another. You're not on this site any more, not because of your opinions, but because of your misstatement of facts. --Ed Poor Talk 08:33, 10 August 2007 (EDT)
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