Debate:What Is Music?

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What does and doesn't qualify as music?--DoctorMcBell 17:02, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Music is a composition of sounds that effect the emotions in a heart or thoughts in a mind. --Ṣ₮ёVeN 10:06, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Music, like beauty, art, truth (small t, not capital T), is in the eye of the beholder. I believe that the "sounds" must be intentionally generated by humans (as opposed to birds or whales).--JeanJacques 10:43, 10 November 2008 (EST)

We all have our preferences as to what sounds and tones, when combined, constitute music. Some people consider rap/hip-hop to be more poetic than musical, and some people consider heavy metal music to be more random noise than musical. These are possibly the two extremes, with everything from jazz to orchestral to church hymns in between, but as JeanJacques stated, it is in the eye (or ear, in this case) of the beholder. WesleySHello! 21:20, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Personally, I believe that music is definitely as "JeanJaques" claims. A very well put answer but I would have to expand upon it and say that although one should not possess musical snobbery, one should not simply accept all types of music: for example, extreme heavy metal - basically white noise to me - is simply sounds which have not required any musical talent or insight to compose in the first place; however, the whole "birds or whales" idea as failing to be music is completely off to my mind. Known as "musique concrete", this form of music can be extremely evoccative and so I would have to disagree on that front. That is simply my viewpoint but as I have said, musical snobbery, although it shouldn't be overused, should be implemented to guide a listener away from creatively void works.

 On the subject of rap, I would have to say that much of it is poetry but it can be fantastic lyrics which are written - not all the time - but I do find artists such as Eminem to be real word-smiths. User: Bealecr 14:54, 30 April 2009

In school, I was always taught the definition "organized noise". My family always insisted that was wrong, and that it had to be "pleasing to the ear" to be considered music. As what pleases the ear is subjective, which may include "noise" like the alternative rock I listened to when I was a kid, I'd have to go with the first one. -danq 19:17, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Music is a lot like love, it's all a feeling. And it fills the room, from the floor to the ceiling. BHussie 23:12, 11 January 2011 (EST)

I'm going to have to take a minute and defend metal. Bealecr, I'm assuming that you are not a musician, and if you are, you do not have a well-trained ear. It takes a lot of musical talent to write a metal song. Heavy metal-style guitar has extreme similarities with jazz guitar. Sure, jazz guitar uses more dominant-seventh chords, but the similarities are there. They both tend to play fast, and make use of pentatonic scales. The same is true with bass. Roxanne Constantin, the former bass player of Death, one of the founding death metal bands, has a B.A. in piano from the Montreal Conservatory of Music. Playing metal-style drums well is exceedingly hard. Playing blast-beats and double-bass requires extreme precision, something that takes tons of practice time to perfect. Also, metal drumming is incredibly physically taxing. Derek Roddy, a drummer known for popularizing the blast beat, has said that it takes years to get one's legs conditioned enough to become a proficient metal drummer. Metal drummers have been known to seek a multifaceted approach. Jason Bittner is a graduate of the Berklee College of Music, and is an expert in metal, jazz, and latin drumming. Derek Roddy is also known to emphasize studying several styles of drumming. Metal vocalists are not the most talented, but they come with the genre. The lyrics, however, are extremely intelligent. While there are bands like Cannibal Corpse out there that sing about gruesome kills, other bands sing about subjects like history, cloning, reliance on oil, Nazi human experimentation, etc... No one is obligated to enjoy metal, not many people do. But to say that metal musicians are talentless is simply ignorant. --Esmith543 23:27, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

Speaking as a musician, I've grown to appreciate all forms of music. Just because it's not good music doesn't mean it's not music. Even metal is music, as bands like Mastodon have shown us. - Liberal Cat, 12:53PM CST, Mon June 25th 2012

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