Debate:Why should we be afraid of God?
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God, as understood and accepted, is everywhere, knows everything, is all powerful, can do anything, to anyone, at anytime. So, why should God have to instil fear in humans? If God can do anything, to anyone, at anytime, why instill fear? There is nothing anyone can do about it anyway, according to that belief system. USer:Seekcommon
- Your right. Come to think of it why would God do anything. What possible purpose could his existence serve. If God is pointless then what is the point of Conservapedia? What is the point of this article?Rebiu 22:40, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
Be Not Afraid
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
-That's deep man.
- When the Bible says things like "knew that he feared God" I think it's using archaic language indicating respect - not "fear" in the sense of terror. But that's just my own Universalist interpretation of scripture. --Ed Poor 12:43, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
Be Very Afraid
Fear is the vehicle by which mass control is achieved. Without this institutional building block in place there would have been no reason for the daydreams of theists to take root in the first place. Primordial "religions" were, to their credit, at least vested in tangible, practical things like "worship" of the earth, nature and community. This kept things sporadic, pliable, and decentralized; with enough room and acceptance for a plethora of various interpretations and ideals within the same broad framework. Instilling a vicious merit system by which everybody must view things through a black-and-white prism of "good versus evil" generates the dogma neccessary to stratify and entrench institutions. With the benefit of historical calcification it also enables those institutions to incorrectly give themselves credit for societal advances they not only had nothing to do with producing, but for which they had actively worked against since their inception. For details read objective commentator Joseph Mccabe's analysis on how Christianity has drafted it's own bunk history portraying itself as a force of liberation against pre-Christian slavery and degredation of women (among other falsifications). It is for this reason that the "faithful" are expected to be afraid of god. -JBall
Certainly we should love God for all the love he shows (and has shown) us. But you have to remember that God does set a standard of living that we should try to live up to. God choose to do many things to show his justice, he threw Adam and Eve out of the garden because they choose to sin. Because God is justice we should fear him because many times we choose sin which is unjust.
- What about all the rules to live by as stated in the Old Testament? If those rules are followed today, I wonder if anyone will be alive - since death seems to be the punishment for so many things, including, working on the sabbath. I wonder how long this post/response will last before it is moved/deleted. User:Seekcommon
Don't you think that if everyone were being killed for their sins, the amount of sins would decrease? Death is a powerful crime deterrent.
P.S. I don't know why you fear that your posts will be deleted. Posts will only be deleted if they are obscene. Your questions are welcomed, at least by me. --<<-David R->> 23:18, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
- I am glad to find some interest. There have been deletions that do not make sense, I wish I had saved some of the posts. It has been my experience that on the right AND the left, often when discussion/debates veer into uncomfortable territory, wham, the hammer comes down. User:Seekcommon
- How can an infinite span of time suffering the torment of fire be justice for a mere 70 or 80 years on Earth spent under confusing circumstances with conflicting "gospels" to choose from? Teresita 14:59, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
- Good question. Seems unreasonable to me. Then again, it's the issue of instilling FEAR, perhaps there is nothing to fear from the Almighty Himself but from the mortals that helped write the books/scriptures and changed them over the years. User:Seekcommon (Wonder what the life of these words will be? A day? Two perhaps?
The word fear applys to different emotions. Firstly, we should fear the Lord in the sense of the word meaning to have reverential awe (after all he created the universe). Secondly, as his children, we have no reason to fear him (using the common definition of terror and fright) unless we pursue that is perverse and sinful. It's good to fear the Lord, not to be afraid of the Him (unless you're sinful.)Dfairlyxed13
- Perhaps you could provide a source for your definition of fear Dfailyxed13 as it sounds like total B.S.. I mean really, fear = reverential awe, what a contortion.Rebiu 22:31, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
We should fear the corruption which stems from the universe, but fear no god, for the power of the divinai will fall to the wrath of Sathience.
- Please explain what "corruption which stems from the universe" is supposed to mean. You might also define you pretend term or Sathience.Rebiu 22:31, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
You better be afraid. God destroyed every living thing on the planet, save those in a boat, on a whim. God has shown a pattern of punishing those who displease him by killing their children, family and associates so do not fool yourself into thinking a righteous existence will save you.Rebiu 22:31, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
You can think what you want, but I for one am very afraid of the great "I am". The Bible refers to God as a consuming fire, therefore I am afraid.--JonL 18:01, 14 November 2007 (EST)
Correction- " I Am "........ I am afraid, but in a good way.--JonL 18:02, 14 November 2007 (EST)
In a good way........:) --Nabroon 09:59, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
how about the term of "worshipful fear"?Kmcheng 16:40, 25 December 2008 (EST)
- Fear comes in different forms, that of terrifying fright, which is what God sometime uses towards careless or hard hearted rebellious men, to whom appeal to their most basic instinct for survival must be made: "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."(Rev 11:13)
- Then there is the "fear" which that of of esteem, reverence and respect, of "awe," which motivates heart and actions. One who has a loving but manly dad of integrity should love him, which makes one fear displeasing him out of esteem for him and his values. The aspect of the dad's power to discipline, however justly yet reluctantly he may be to do so, is also a healthy, beneficial, and necessary fear.
- Like love, fear is a good thing if rightly directed, and love and fear are actually complementary (like as "rejoice with trembling": Ps. 2:22; and "walking in the fear of the Lord and the comfort of the Holy Ghost": Act 9:31). As we all ultimately love and fear something, including fearing the loss of esteem if we are found to have fear, and as loving or fearing something more than our Creator is ultimately bad and harmful, so God, who needs nothing (Acts 17:25), commands us to fear Him above all else, which is to our benefit. (Dt. 8:6; Ps. 34:7,9; 103:13,17; 145:19; Mt. 10:28)
- Yet, the Bible reveals the highest manner of motivation is that which is purely of love for God, having no other contrary desire, and is a fruit of true continuing obedient faith, which loves what God loves (and us hates what God hates); a holy love which is contrary to and displaces worldly love, and is fit for eternal glory, and need not fear the contrary. "Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." (1 John 4:17-18)
- I am not much there yet. but i see that is what i must seek after. "Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you." (Phil 3:15)
- "The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, endureth for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands." (Psa 138:8) Daniel1212 20:10, 3 February 2009 (EST)