Debate: Do genuinely saved Christians sin?
This was a suggestion from someone on the Debate topics talk page, and I think is worth some discussion. My thoughts: that as Christians are still human, and all humans sin, so do Christians. No one is perfect, and 'saved' doesn't mean not committing sin, but being forgiven for the sins you do commit. I welcome any opinions and arguments to the contrary. - JamesCA 20:24, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
- First, thanks for setting up this debate. Here are my thoughts.
- The Bible says that all people have sinned:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23 (KJV)
- However, according to these Bible verses, once we are saved, we no longer sin:
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1John 3:6 (KJV)
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 1John 5:18 (KJV)
- I'd be interested in any other views that take the above into account. In particular, if I'm taking anything out of context, I'd appreciate knowing the correct context. DavidE 08:58, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
Yes, every man sins. It is the corruption that came with the Fall of Man. We are just forgiven sins past, present, and future when we accept Christ as our Savior.--GFitz 16:32, 27 December 2011 (EST)
- Do you have Biblical support for that, and what do you make of the Bible verses that I quoted above? DavidE 16:49, 27 December 2011 (EST)
- Yes. As for those verses, I have read and heard that the original Greek would translate that would mean "who does not keep on sinning". It is rather clear in the Bible that every person has sinned and that we need salvation. Humans are corrupt, and in this life we will never live without sin. Once we are in Heaven and receive our new bodies, we will not sin.--GFitz 16:55, 27 December 2011 (EST)
- Read this article: --GFitz 16:59, 27 December 2011 (EST)
- Here's my problem with that. Christians who use hand-waving arguments to "interpret" the Bible in line with what they've heard somewhere that the "original Greek" says have managed to "prove" just about anything, in which case their methods actually prove nothing at all. I believe in a God Who is fully capable of preserving His Word so that we can rely on its plain meaning. Finally, as for whether every person has sinned, I've already stated as much, so you're attacking a straw man. DavidE 14:07, 23 January 2012 (EST)