Debate: Does Mike Huckabee's Failure Represent a Shift to the Left in American Politics?
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I think after eight years of GWB's lies and deceit, America is sick and tired with the hypocritical radical right-wing Rebublicans. I think America believes that the fear-mongering has to stop and (I know this is a cliché), it's time for change! DLerner 09:51, 5 March 2008 (EST)
- Oh, yeah - 'cause GWB is a unique case of a mendacious, deceitful politician. The country has never seen one of those before. And, I got news for you, a lot of "radical right-wing Republicans" are among GWB's strongest critics. AliceBG 09:54, 5 March 2008 (EST)
- Really, with regards to what? The war? Aside from Ron Paul how many conservatives voted against it? Even most of the democrats did! One of my issues with the right-wing has been the constant fear. How many times have we heard this quote from members of congress "The democrats want to surrender to the terrorists". No, we don't hear that just from Ann Coulter, from members of congress. Frankly it reminds me of McCarthyism.
With regards to Bush personally, the point of no return for me was pardoning Scooter Libby, the party has since lost me too. Though I have to say, John McCain is one heck of a candidate, even the left respects him DLerner 10:02, 5 March 2008 (EST)
I feel that a lot of countries with right leaning governments are experiencing a shift. The war in Iraq has become extremely unpopular and those right leaning countries whose governments supported the war are now experiencing a public backlash. MetcalfeM 15:07, 5 March 2008 (EST)
- But the backlash was felt by both right-leaning and left-leaning governments that supported the war. Exhibit A: Blair, Anthony. -- Ferret Nice old chat 06:15, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I don't think so - I think it may reflect a fear on the part of American voters that the line between the sacred and the secular has become increasingly fuzzy in recent years, and a concomitant desire to maintain a certain amount of distance between the political and the religious. Seeing as no side of the political spectrum has a monopoly on faith, and how no faith has a monopoly on viable policy, I'm not sure if Huckabee's failure to resonate with masses of voters says anything about left/right divides. AliceBG 08:55, 5 March 2008 (EST)
- But if, as you claim, neither left or right has a monopoly on faith, surely we should disregard the faith issue. What is almost certain is that the next president will be to the left of GWB and many conservatives insist that McCain is not a conservative, merely a liberal Republican, perhaps even more left than Clinton. So, is this representative of any shift in political leanings of the American electorate? (I would challenge the originally quoted statement about religion monopoly. While it might not be a monopoly, the right is far more comfortable with combining politics with religion than the left.) Ajkgordon 09:13, 5 March 2008 (EST)
- "the next president will be to the left of GWB " That would appear to be the case: however, big-C conservatives will argue that GWB spending public money like a sailor on shore leave and driving the country back into deficit speaks to how "conservative" he really was. And big-L liberals might argue, as Nader and Chomsky do, that the Democrats represent the slightly-less-right-wing of American conservatism, and that the difference in terms of progressive social policy is negligible..."the right is far more comfortable with combining politics with religion than the left.": Check out some liberation theology or other left-wing political religious movements and you'll see that's not really the case - lefties can be very religious and the religious can be quite left....they just tend to keep it out of direct policy questions...God cares about people and their well-being, not politics. AliceBG 09:21, 5 March 2008 (EST)
- OK, agreed on some of the specifics. But that's true of most pragmatic politics - short on the ideology, long on the pic'n'mix. But GWB is, by most measures, fairly representative of the Republican right (and the religious right to some degree) whereas as none of the three front-runners are. And while there may well be a "religion left", it appears to have nothing like the political impact that the well-organised religious right does. Although the failure of Huckabee may well scotch that! Ajkgordon 09:41, 5 March 2008 (EST)
Definitely not! When the Dems strolled home in the mid-terms, who would have thought that a Republican (albeit a moderate one) would be so well placed to retain the presidency less than 18 months later? Huckabee's failure actually opens up an opportunity for America to shift back to the right. -- Ferret Nice old chat 06:09, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I think Huckabee's failure isn't so much about political shifts, as it is about a shift to a more Godless society in general. It's hard to sell politics to a generation that doesn't read the Bible and pray every day - very hard. Huckabee - although he tried to make the debate about policy rather than his beliefs, couldn't avoid it, and I think - although I despair of it if I'm right - that ultimately his beliefs were not acceptable to the majority of Republicans, let alone Americans in general. I for one am sad to see him go, but I don't think it reflects a shift to the Left. Reaganite 16:43, 5 March 2008 (EST)