Debate: do liberals know that they are harming society?

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I've spent a bit of time on this site after reading about it in the L.A. Times. For the most part, I'm on board with the advocacy. However, I'd like to collect y'alls thoughts on the above-referenced question.

Liberals attempt to move this nation away from its Christian background, defenestrating our standards of decency in the process. Liberals are now trying to deface our nation's reputation by hindering the administration's war on terror.

However, in light of all these actions, I've never met a liberal that conceded a desire to harm our nation. In fact, they seem to think that they are actually doing good. Do you think that this is another act of deceit, or merely cluelessness? --LuckyJN 22:15, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

To be fair, LuckyJN, I don't think most liberals have any intention of harming the country. Yes, we may disagree with them, sometimes vehemently, but that's the way I see it. My best friend is liberal, by the way.  :) Karajou 22:47, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
I take it that you're a less extreme conservative than most on this site, Karajou. I remember reading the entry here on deceit, and it gave me the impression that the authors determined that liberals are bent on destroying our moral fabric. Do you get the same impression from that article? --LuckyJN 23:14, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
I'm afraid you can't always believe what you read, Lucky (although you would know about that, what with the filthy liberal propagandist media ;-D). I'd consider myself liberal, and I embrace liberal ideologies because I believe they will benefit society. However, that doesn't mean I *hate* people who disagree with me (incidentally, "hate" is a word that's used far too often around here). In fact, the reason I registered here was to meet more of them. Already in the past week I've been moved to reconsider my position on gun control and heard a compelling case for sleep deprivation as a tool of interrogation, not torture. If there was one message I'd like to send to everyone on this site - left-wing, right-wing, Democrat or Republican - it would be to stop trying to convert people to your cause, and just have a conversation. Underscoreb 19:49, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Anyone is capable of deceit, it does not matter who they are or what politics they practice. The majority of people prefer not to be deceitful, as it is just another word for lying...and that big majority simply finds lying to be repugnant. Karajou 00:46, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Matthew 12:34-36
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