Help talk:How to Code

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Just a thought, but a lot of this information is already in Help:Editing, which is linked on the bottom of the page every time an article is edited. Perhaps these pages can be merged in order to avoid duplicating information and to make Deborah's fine page more accessible. Jinkas 15:40, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

A lot? Name at least 3 things. --Ed Poor Talk 15:50, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
Italic, bold, bold and italic, link, link with a different title, and there are other links off of Help:Editing which explain references, categories, and templates. I work in IT; maintaining duplicate information has been ingrained in my mind as a bad thing. Plus, a lot of these things here on Deborah's page would be very useful to have in a more accessible place, such as a link on every editing page. Jinkas 15:59, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Recapitulative table, contains some of the information, perhaps make a cheatsheet which includes all techniques people all on one page -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 15:53, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

I've been in IT for 25 years. I know about once and only once.
But Deborah's page is better in any case. You two please work it out. --Ed Poor Talk 16:02, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
My suggestion: just unlock Help:Editing and let Deborah move everything from here over to there. Jinkas 16:04, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Help:Editing is a bad name besides everything on here is covered on there I propose moving the information from there to here -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 16:06, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm just concerned about the visibility of the help page. If everything gets moved here, then you should ask the sysops to change the link at the bottom on the edit page to point to this page instead of Help:Editing. Editors here should be getting linked to the page with the most information, whichever that winds up to be. Jinkas 16:14, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

I copied Help:Editing to my sandbox I am adding material to it -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 16:16, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

You don't have to be a sysop to have good writing skills. Anyone who can organize information into a readable form gets my vote. --Ed Poor Talk 16:30, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

I am not sure what you are saying -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 16:36, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Are you saying I don't need to be an admin to be a good writer, if so, i want to be an admin so it will make my editing easier by being able to move, delete, block etc. -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 16:49, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

"How to code" sounds like you are going to write Javascript or something. I think Help:Editing is a better and quite appropriate title. I've unlocked Help:Editing so that improvements can be made there.
I also question the need to include HTML code such as <i>. Although it will work, surely if we are teaching people how to use Wiki markup, we should stick to Wiki markup? (<br /> is an exception because there are a few places where it is useful, such as within the {{QuoteBox}} template.) Also, it's good HTML coding to use the style parameter rather than the HTML formatting (so <span style="color:red"> rather than <font color="red">)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philip J. Rayment (talk)

I took HTML and I was never told it is better HTML formating to use the span style instead of the font -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 23:37, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

HTML is supposed to be used for semantic markup, i.e. to indicate things like headings, paragraphs, lists, and quotes. CSS is supposed to be used for formatting markup, i.e. to indicate that headings are large bold text, quotes are indented, etc. HTML didn't originally cater for CSS, and so it has code to provide formatting as well (and this is still useful in places that don't accept CSS markup, such as some web-based editing boxes, response forms, etc.), but the "proper" way to do formatting is with CSS, not HTML. The style= parameter in HTML tags is a way of putting CSS markup directly in the code (CSS markup is normally in a separate file). It doesn't have to be <span>, but that is probably the best one if nothing else is already available (e.g. <div>). Also, in many cases CSS provides more options that HTML, although there are a few things which HTML is still better at. Philip J. Rayment 23:56, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
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