Talk:Alexander Hamilton

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Some thoughts…..

Before anyone starts claiming that “taxes placing the United States on a sound financial footing is a liberal falsehood,” please note that I have provided references, and nearly any good college level U.S. history text will agree with this. If you want evidence from a primary source, please consult Hamilton’s Report on Public Credit, which can be found in the American State Papers, Finance, vol. one, 1789-1802 which can be found here

In keeping with conservapedia’s commandment # 1, everything in this article is “true and verifiable.” If you do think something in this article is incorrect, please have, as I do, the intellectual integrity to cite your sources. --1048247 12:49, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

Not to quibble, but how does removing a "pro-tax bias" with an anti-tax bias any better? Jrssr5 10:08, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

History has a liberal bias?

Who is this guy to tell us to get off his talk page? Will he block you if you put it back on, 104etc?-BillBuck 11:50, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

I am a little surprised by the reaction. Nearly any scholar will cite excise taxes as ONE of the reasons that the U.S. retired its war debt. It also caused agreat deal of resentment. That was what the Whiskey Rebellion was about.

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I'm adding a bibliography I compiled and new material-- all written by me but some appeared in Wikipedia or RJJensen 22:22, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Leading Intellectual

I think "a" leading intellectual rather than "the" leading intellectual understates Hamilton's role a bit. The other examples were not really his equal as an intellectual.--Aschlafly 22:43, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

well it depends what you mean by an "intellectual" rather little of Hamilton's career was spent as a writer (1788 on Fed Papers and 1792 on three big reports is about it, along with a couple essays in 1775.) I think John Adams was more widely read, for example, and Franklin was a world-famous scientist. Noah Webster likewise was a major intellectual. RJJensen 23:35, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Most conservative?

Alexander Hamilton can hardly be described as one of the most conservative founding father. He believed in keeping a permenant debt to keep the nation together. He believed the consitution should be interperated loosely not literally. Jefferson was a stickler for a literal interperation of the constiution. He was believed in a strong centralized goverment.

His party, the federalists, were not a grass roots party. They alienated the all but the elite. The Democratic-Republicans or just Republicans were a much more appealing party to the common man.

In some issues yes he had conservative views, and in some cases he had liberal views. But to call him the most conservative of the founding fathers is just inncorrect and ignorant.

He was not conservative or liberal. He was a federalist. The conservatives of the time were tories or loyalists and left when the United States gained their independence. The federalist had some liberal view and some conservative views to call the one is just incorrect or dilberitly confusing the facts. --rightStuff March 1, 2010

You make good points, though I disagree with any claim that someone "was not conservative or liberal." People hold views, and those views can be identified as conservative or liberal (or something else).
Feel free to improve this entry as you think best, and let's look at your changes. I hope to learn from your edits. But please don't delete information.--Andy Schlafly 11:32, 1 March 2010 (EST)
I feel that the phrase the most conservative of the founding fathers is an opinion and should be omitted. Let the reader decide that for themselves. By saying he was a conservative there should be evidence in the article, but as I stated before it is a debatable point. rightStuff 1:34, 1 March (EST)

Excuse me, wrongstuff, but the Tories back then were those that argued for big government and big government interference in the lives of the citizens; these Tories demanded the population kowtow to the will of the king. Does this sound familiar? They were the liberals of their day, behaving exactly as the liberals of today are doing. Karajou 14:30, 1 March 2010 (EST)

It's times like this when CP's antipathy to the word "liberal" looks really silly. I'll save myself some typing and just point you to to your own bloody article on John Locke. --JohnZ 16:52, 1 March 2010 (EST)
Why? Has it hit a nerve because you know that your own liberal beliefs are faulted and wrong? Maybe you should use the liberal page to educate yourself. Myrobi 16:56, 1 March 2010 (EST)
um Karajou, conservative, and liberal are both relative terms. For instance Adam Smith was a liberal for time, but know his views are known as conservative. The tories according to any dictonary and this site are conservative. They would have favored mercantilism as insted of capitalism. Alexander Hamilton by believing in Capitalism and Adam Smith's teachings in The Weath of Nations, published in 1776 makes him liberal in referance to his time period, yet conservative if he were around today. THis is why I felt the most conservative of the founding father was a confusing phrase and shouold be removed. --rightStuff 4:09 March 04, 2010
The writings of George Washington as well as the writings about Washington by those who knew him personally state directly that he was a deeply-Christian man of the Episcopalian Church, yet there are liberal people today who demand that he be called a deist, thereby distorting his memory and record. When the word liberal is used in reference to the Founding Fathers, it is done by people of today who want to place those men with themselves, as if they are alive and around today. But just what is the record of liberalism today? Is it not distortions? Is it not outright lying? Is it the removal of First Amendment rights, such as freedom of speech and the press (read "kill talk radio" bills), freedom of religion (read "kid suspended from school for bring Bible"); freedom to assemble (read "atheist burns down Texas churches")? Does anyone here honestly think that a man of the integrity of Washington would associate which such people? Washington fought against them during the Revolution. And Hamilton was a close associate of Washington, politically and militarily. Hamilton was the major author of the Federalist, of which there are ideas which plainly contradict what liberals are saying now. Which is why I'm making a demand that RightStuff read it for himself.
No, we're not going to have modern liberals equate themselves with the Founding Fathers at all. Despite the dictionary definition [1], a modern liberal will never give; he will take, and take, and take, until there is nothing left. Karajou 18:23, 4 March 2010 (EST)
As conservatives, RightStuff, we try to avoid historical revisionism as taught by leftist schools and teachers...given that you can't really be blamed personally for your misguided intentions. --ṬK/Admin/Talk 18:58, 4 March 2010 (EST)
Let me set the record straight, I think Alexander Hamilton was conservative, but there are plenty of other more conservative founding fathers. Saying most makes it much more debeatable as well as appearng to be slightly revisionist, preferable I would prefer to just say conservative, or nothing at all. Personally I am not sure if the term conservative or liberal belongs with any of the founding fathers. The argument can be made that Jefferson was more conservative than Hamilton, with his belief in the right to vote should belong to all people, and that the goverment should be small, and the constiution must be taken as close to literally as possible. Hamilton is the one who pushed for the alien and sediation acts to be past by Adams. Hamilton is not a one sided charater and to say he is the most conservative of the founding fathers is stretching and distorting the truth ever so slightly. 19:25, --RIGHTstuff 17 March 2010 (EST)
I'll add to that this thought; if Hamilton was one of the most conservative it stands to reason that Jefferson would have been one of the most liberal. They disagreed on nearly every issue. Personally, I think liberal and conservative are too fluid of terms to be applied historically in any way that attempts to connect it to a modern understanding. Hamilton believed in bigger federal government and primary control by the elite class, Jefferson believed in bigger state governments and equal control by all classes. But there are a lot of points that don't easily fit into modern political categories.
And to add to that, the idea that Jefferson was more conservative than Hamilton doesn't work when A., he actually had completely inconsistent ideas with the Constitution (for example, he didn't want other states to secede from the union yet wanted Virginia to do so, and has proven to be a big government ogre), and B., he proceeded to defend the French Revolution and cheer for it even at a time when most of his colleagues distanced themselves (in fact, he actually wrote a letter where he supported the September Massacres, of all things). If anything, Jefferson's the true founder of liberalism in America, not Andrew Jackson. Pokeria1 (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2016 (EDT)