Talk:Alt-right

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I can't find a source

" The alt-right accepts the study of evolution and global warming... " This is idiosyncrasy of the left. I don't see a source that confirms this. I think it's important to re-include Masculinity as a rejection of Feminism. Metrosexual, feminist beta males have zero support. Men being men, traditional male roles that built the West are lauded.--Jpatt 20:54, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

Great points. Please improve the entry as you think best. It had some nonsensical criticisms of alt-right in it and perhaps some good material was deleted as part of the cleanup effort.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:10, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
I'll find a source for evolution. global warming is harder as the alt-right has been flooded with libertarians who bring their anarcho-capitalist ideas with them. Can someone upload this picture to the entry? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByPjSf143rlyaTFWQ2VraXVlLVE/view?usp=sharing Kashifv (talk) 18:15, 4 February 2017 (EST)
Vox Day has been called a figurehead of the alt-right and he rejects evolution. On his blog, he prominently links to Conservapedia's atheism and evolution articles. Conservative (talk) 18:50, 4 February 2017 (EST)

Righting about the alt-right is going to be difficult. It a loose internet amalgamation of people on the right who are not traditional conservatives and a large percentage of them are anonymous. And it is splintering. There is now the New Right and the alt-lite. Conservative (talk) 19:07, 4 February 2017 (EST)

Here is a decent article on the alt-right as far as an explanation of it: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/ Conservative (talk) 19:16, 4 February 2017 (EST)


The alt-right is an anarcho-fascist movement (confederacies of racially separate tribes allied against the state; the alt-right not only opposes centralized government they oppose the existence of the state itself). On the periphery is libertarian NATIONALISTS who were formerly anarcho-capitalists. These libertarians are concerned they will be soon outnumbered by socialist immigrants from the third world and have given up their open-borders mantra for nationalism. They have concluded that nationalism does not necessarily mean statism and they make up the libertarian and pro-capitalist element of the alt-right. The two groups are allied over an idea called anarcho-monarchism (also called Mezionism) in which a king or a strong centralized LEADER (not state) allies himself with the people to take down a progressive totalitarian state as a sort of dark messiah; hence the Alt-Right's admiration for Bane (from Batman).

The alt-right originals accept evolution because it points to DIFFERENCES in racial IQ hence their push for western supremacy.

They are suspicious of protestant evangelical christians for supporting immigration for conversion purposes; a large portion of the alt-right is Catholic and Orthodox christians. The alt-right could correctly be called post-evangelical conservatism.

The original alt-right also supported global warming (eco-fascism) because it supports the idea of less people in a country (anti-immigration anti-migration anti-global movement; Google "Matt Parrot"). This portion has grown quiet since the large majority of the alt-right is immediately interested in taking down the UN (fight globalization first THEN push for eco-fascism to control large multinational corporations that want a free influx of people of people for cheap labor).

The dispute within the alt-right is that the alt-right originals have concluded that the libertarian element is simply nationalistic and cannot be counted on to support racial separatism. They believe that libertarians are using the alt-right to secure capitalism (which the alt-right leadership is suspicious of since large corporations push mass migrations and open borders).

The 'New Right' is actually the European predecessor to the American alt-right by 50 years. However American Alt-Righters have recently begun to call themselves "New Right" to establish a pan-Atlantic pan-European alliance. The European New Right has been around since the 1930's (Google "Oswald Spengler". Kashifv (talk) 16:18, 5 February 2017 (EST)

The American intellectual founder of the Alt-Right is generally considered to be Samuel T. Francis who said "It is all very well to point to black cotton-pickers and Chinese railroad workers, but the cotton fields and the railroads were there because white people wanted them and knew how to put them there. Almost all non-European contributors to American history either have been made by individuals and groups that have assimilated Euro-American ideas, values, and goals, or have been conceived, organized, and directed by white leaders." Kashifv (talk) 02:37, 6 February 2017 (EST)

The alt-right as it exists today is most completely defined by Professor Bernard Hermann Hoppe of UN-LV who wrote the book "Democracy: The God That Failed" (an appeal to anarcho-monarchism) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6/15/876205/-

Libertarians and fascists organizing on 4chan boards https://yuki.la/pol/87362783 Kashifv (talk) 02:34, 6 February 2017 (EST)

illustrations symbolizing the libertarian fascist alliance https://goo.gl/photos/4ySTJz3PMxPGbf13A Kashifv (talk) 20:28, 6 February 2017 (EST)

The alt-right arose in response to secular leftism and liberalism. It is an aggressive political ideology that uses the Sun Tzu principle of stealth via anonymous internet activists.
John C. Wright asserts that secular leftism is a religion and will not be defeated by mere political opposition and he argues that Christianity is a more potent adversary. [1]
Adolf Hitler was defeated in a two front war. Secular leftism is primarily facing a three front war against Christianity, Islam and right of center political ideologies. One thing for certain, it is not winning the war and it is suffering defeats now in the Western World (for example, Decline of global atheism, Brexit, Donald Trump's election, rise of nationalist right-wing parties, flood of religious immigrants to the West who are resistant to secularization, etc.).
Secular leftists/liberals are now like trapped rats.[2] And now that name-calling is increasingly ineffective to cow their opponents, they are turning to violence because that is all they have left.[3] Conservative (talk) 08:44, 6 February 2017 (EST)
Hitler was a Secular leftist/liberal?--AaronC1 (talk) 12:45, 6 February 2017 (EST)

First, I did not say that Hitler was a secular leftist. My main point was that secular leftists are largely fighting a three front war and they are not faring well from a global perspective and they have suffered some significant defeats as of late in the Western World. Given that we live in a world where globalization is a strong factor (immigration, world communications, trade, etc.), the fact that secular leftism is faring poorly globally is certainly notable.

Second, the data is cloudy on whether Hitler was an atheist or not due to various conclusions that people take from Hitler's Tabletalk.[4] It is vary hard to know given that Hitler/Joseph Goebbels were both liars. Hitler was a staunch evolutionist though and the most vocal proponents of evolutionism have often been atheists/agnostics. See: Evolutionary racism

Third, Hitler greatly expanded the size of government when he committed perhaps the biggest strategic folly of any leader in history and launched Operation Barbarossa. The Eastern Front attack was a complete disaster given the timing of the attack (Russian winters), but perhaps it would have failed if he had done it at another time. Maybe Joseph Stalin would have attacked first if Germany didn't attack first as some historians argue.[5] It is hard to predict the actions of militant atheist madmen. Regardless, WWII launched Germany into an era of big government.

Next, I really don't see much of a difference between fascism/communism. Both are undemocratic/big government enterprises that trample civil liberties. See: Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism (Granted fascism/communism trample civil liberties to a far higher degree than liberalism). Conservative (talk) 14:08, 6 February 2017 (EST)

I hear you on the last point.--AaronC1 (talk) 14:28, 6 February 2017 (EST)

See: Atheism vs. Christianity, Islam and right-wing ideology

I decided to create an article on the three front ideological war facing atheism. Conservative (talk) 16:09, 6 February 2017 (EST)

The American Alt-Right is distinct from the European "New Right" in the sense that it has a libertarian component. Illustrations of the libertarian-fascist alliance https://goo.gl/photos/4ySTJz3PMxPGbf13A. Europe has a sparse history of libertarianism while libertarianism is culturally embedded (with and without a name) into American political history. Thus in Europe as in the case of Hitler you can be conservative AND support big government (as long as you tribalize yourself by race or nation). In the classic political spectrum, which includes the European definition of conservatism, the government becomes more totalitarian the farther right and the farther left you go (understandable why this is confusing to American conservativism, which is a liberalized (deregulated) variant of classical liberalism). German fascism (Nazism) declares that "nationalism is the only true form of socialism." The alt-right (originally) declared that "racialism is the only form of socialism" meaning that the cultural norms created by racial tribalism could replace the government itself. With the entrance of nationalist libertarians the alt-right's focus on racialism has become more abstruse but is still immutable. Matt Parrot, one of the founding fathers of the current alt-right, explains the original alt-right members' problem with economic libertarianism (and Jewish 'influence') http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/02/the-real-ron-paul-scandal/ Kashifv (talk) 20:43, 6 February 2017 (EST)

I think it is more complicated than that.

From The Atlantic re: American right-winger Mike Cernovich:

“I think the battle lines are pretty clear now,” Cernovich said. “We have a nice line of demarcation, so I’m happy with where I am and how it shook out. There’s the alt-right which wants to do white identity politics, and then there’s people like me and Jeff who, we want to do nationalism without white identity politics, and now everybody knows where I stand and everybody knows where everybody else is, so I’m thrilled with the development.”

Cernovich said he “for sure” sees himself as the leader of the “new right.”

“The alt-right’s dead,” Cernovich said. “Well, the alt-right’s dead as to most of the people in this room.”

“The media has overstated the scope and influence of the alt-right,” he said. - The 'New Right' and the 'Alt-Right' Party on a Fractious Night, The Atlantic, JAN 20, 2017

American and world politics is very much in a state of flux with new factions developing on the right. And there are only so many catchy terms like "New Right". And we have a person (or people) vying for the term "new right" without necessarily knowing the past of this term. Conservative (talk) 21:28, 6 February 2017 (EST)

Agreed and we have a lot of material here to add to the artice; i do have one more entry to add to the talk page will do in a couple of days. Hitler was in fact a right-winger of the authoritarian variety although it's hard to convince American conservatives of that. Here's Hitler's political orientation on a 4-way political axis https://goo.gl/knG2Wx. The American New Right is the less-racialized version of the american alt-right; it could be called the "alt-lite" (Cernovich himself is considered an alt-liter; and the New Right (American) is heavily driven by a libertarian philosophy called distributism https://goo.gl/4HbAIx or propertarianism https://goo.gl/FqWyg1). Unlike the alt-right, the alt-lite, such as Breitbart.com, is basically a western supremacy or identity movement rather than a white identity or separatist movement. However this is not the case with the European New Right which has never adopted the name "alt-right." There are no clear "Alt-right/New right" lines everything is "New Right" in Europe meaning racial and western identitarianism tend to go hand-in-hand (Europe's history of immigration is very recent (1970's and onward) and they have imported too many unassimilable immigrants).
By the time we're done this article is going to pull far ahead of the wikipedia page :p Kashifv (talk) 23:58, 6 February 2017 (EST)

Alt-right factions and infighting

See: The alt-right is tearing itself apart. What remains after will be the future of far-right politics.

It may take awhile before the dust settles as far as the alt-right. Conservative (talk) 20:57, 3 July 2017 (EDT)