A real American hero - God bless you, Bernie. --Huey gunna getcha 23:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
Ok, I don't really know how this is supposed to go... Bernie grew up in a Jewish household, but he claims to be "not religious". His faith is listed as "Judaism", but that entails all sorts of religious aspects. Should his ethnicity instead be listed as "Jewish", but religion listed as "None", since he's effectively secular? http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/judaism/jewish-american-bernie-sanders-is-socialist-but-not-religious Humanperson (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2015 (EDT)
- Do you have a quote from Sanders about whether he is an atheist? "Not religious" does not necessarily mean "atheist". The phrase "not religious" may refer more to lack of regular attendance at a religious service rather than basic belief.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:30, 14 August 2015 (EDT)
To be honest I feel that Bernie gets a little bit of unnecessary heat (no pun intended) from people here, at least when compared to Hillary Clinton. I personally feel that he has the nations best interests at heart, even if his talking points are freakishly leftist most of the time. I'd choose him or Trump just to spite the establishment puppet Hillary Clinton.
I also frown upon anyone who believes that you are a God-hating atheist because you don't regularly attend religious services or perform certain rituals a certain number of times. I may be forgetting a part (or parts) of the Bible that contain verses emphasizing the importance on that, but too many Cultural Catholics I'm familiar with believe they're better Christians than I am for no reason other than the fact they were altar servers, do more prayers on a daily basis, and attend Church daily instead of weekly while ignoring the volunteer work I did with the same church setting up fundraiser events. I tend to find it hilarious or annoying when such people launch accusations like these at me, yet show up to church late, and leave 20 minutes early. --KommissarReb
- I personally can't agree with you regarding Sanders being better than Trump. I'm concerned that Trump has made a lot of promises he can't keep, but he really does want to "make America great again." The problem here is that his definition of great may differ from ours. Sanders, however, offers handouts that the country cannot afford, and which discourage productivity. We are already hopelessly in debt, and he want to push us all the way to complete, unashamed socialism. All the while, he complains about "the 1%" while living in one of his several mansions, and filthy rich. At least Trump is honest about his wealth, instead of hiding it like Sanders.
- On your second point, I completely agree. The Bible refers to such things as meeting with the church and serving others as "fruits." If the tree is alive (in Christ) is bears much fruit, but it is not the fruits which save them. Christ saves them, and the fruits are a natural result. These "fruits" will not be perfect, and sometimes there may be times of less productivity. However, Christ helps us to produce them to further His will and bring some of the glory to Him which He deserves. I am not a Roman Catholic, but from what I have seen and heard, Catholics do seem to be very works-oriented. Correct me if I'm wrong (since I'm sure you know better than I), but "here goes." The expected attendance of Mass as an obligation which must be fulfilled, the repeating of phrases which you can't understand, and penance are all a sort of thing which must be done to assure salvation and acceptance. Although I think him a bit too liberal of a Christian, Cary Schmidt wrote an interesting book called "done." (with the period) on the topic. He brings out that Protestants (like myself) believe in a salvation which is already "done." Christ has died, and if trust if put in this alone for salvation, there is nothing else that must be done to secure salvation. Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and many cults believe that they must "do" things so secure their salvation. They probably act hypocritically towards you because they see themselves fulfilling all the requirement (barely) while you are not. That's how I understand this, anyway. --(David B, 10 June 2016)
- About your first paragraph; I never said I'd choose Bernie over Trump, but him or Trump. I ultimately ended up voting for Trump after switching from Independent to a Republican to vote in the NJ primary that took place a few days ago. There were other people in the GOP ticket for other offices like Bob Patterson that I preferred after vetting the candidates as much as I could, but this was impeded by a lack of information accessible on the internet.
- Originally I didn't support Trump because I was mad at him for the whole ordeal with plopping a golf course in Scotland and letting his staff members bully the people that were already living there. Granted, the Scottish government was being greedy and were the ones partially responsible for the eminent domain usage, but Trump was the spark that lit that fire.
- Its unfortunate that this is my first Presidential election that I am eligible to vote in, and I'm voting for the lesser of the 3 evils. The only thing I see in Trump is the hope that he can be talked out of poor decisions and talked into making good ones. Hillary Clinton I can't trust because she'll tell you whatever you want to hear, then go back on her word and do what she was originally going to do because she's an establishment puppet.
- Bernie Sanders is, like I said, waaay too liberal. He wants to expand the toxic Canadian-European atmosphere in this country where it just doesn't belong. The only things I like him for are his methods of raising money and the fact that he isn't and opposes Hillary Clinton. I want to believe that he has the nation's best interests at heart, but that he simply has no clue what the right thing to do is. Hillary is the bigger threat as her superdelegates assured her winning the election before the nomination process even started. (another reason why I'm a Republican) --KommissarReb14:25, 10 June 2016 (EDT)
- Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning somewhat then. In any case, the Clintons always make it through, whether they use bribes, deceit, murder, or other underhanded methods, so I thoroughly expect Mrs. Clinton to beat Sanders. The one wildcard is the FBI investigation. If Obama has his way, she will be let off the hook. However, if he is not able to orchestrate such a miscarriage of justice, she might really end up in some hot water. If she is removed from the race, it will then to the ignorant public seem that it is two "old, rich white guys" fighting for the position. In the end, that will help Trump as it eliminates the "gender card."
- In any case, perhaps I am too hard on Sanders, but I am still suspicious about his true intentions. Sure, he means what he says, but I think he cares primarily about giving people whatever they want, regardless of the cost. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is not going to help our country. --David B (talk) 08:18, 13 June 2016 (EDT)