Talk:Christian persecution

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Whew, I was worried that this article might be a "war on Christmas" sort of thing. It's actually pretty good, if a bit short. Human 21:05, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Needs lots and lots of info

This article omits the early persecutions of Christians which in time I hope to add. It also doesn't discuss Christophobia throughout the centuries. Scorpio 18:29, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

As far as the historical effort of this page goes, it needs to recognize that Roman persecution was sporadic. The current text implies that it was ongoing. Some additional examples of persecution might be helpful.

As far as the comment on Protestants being martyred by the Catholic Church, it is important to recognize that Catholics also met bloody ends. There is some anti-Catholic bias going on here.

Religious persecution

Why does "religious persecution" redirect here? Wandering 20:26, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

China

Might as well clear up some discussion of China. There is no doubt Christians are persecuted there, but the motivation is different. Most cases of persecution are over theological differences - either another religion attempts to ban Christianity, or there is a dispute over doctrine. China, though, appears to have no religious objection - they don't mind Christianity itsself at all, they even encourage membership in their Christian church, and nor to they have issues with details of doctrine. Rather, they persecute Christians as just one aspect of political persecution - they surpress all things which might lessen the power of the state, and any religion they do not control is included in this. They persecute Christians only because they pose a threat - something to which people may be more loyal than they are to the ruling party. Any thoughts on if this conclusion is right? NewCrusader 18:56, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

This is not true. China absolutely hates Christianity and the state-approved version of "Christianity" is a joke. Anyone who steps out of line of the state-sanctioned, state-controlled "Christian" religion is severely persecuted. Jinxmchue 17:03, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Alicia Silverstone is the best you can do?

The whole idea that Christians are persecuted in the US is ridiculous but the fact that the citation points to some article about Alicia Silverstone mocking traditional marriage doesn't help your case at all.

In America the Bible is in every hotel room. In America the "Religion" book section in Barnes & Noble is dominated by Christian books. In America the President puts his hand on the Bible to be sworn in. In America Christian churches are tax exempt. I could go on and on.

The fact that some people in America criticize Christianity is not persecution. This website criticizes Atheism. That is not persecution. MikeAndrews 15:03, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

You are free to add more refs, there are plenty to choose from. BTW, you are dead wrong.--Jpatt 14:49, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
Believe what you want. A quick search for persecution of christians comes up with many Christian organizations that are concerned with this issue but none of them are concerned that it is happening in the United States. I would challenge you to find one. MikeAndrews 15:03, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
You admit it is an issue, just not in the states. So, I can't claim lies, deceit, attacks physically and to the body of the church is not persecution? What shall I say, liberals are mean to Christians in the U.S., start aChristian meanness article, not persecuted? hmmm--Jpatt 15:22, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Persecution can't simply be that someone who holds a belief may be harrassed or even physically assaulted by someone who doesn't hold that belief. The other examples in this article all describe situations where members of a minority religion, Christianity, are harrassed or even murdered by the government or with the tacit support of the government. In the US, Christians are the majority and any harrassment or violence against a Christian is prosecuted. If Alica Silverstone had killed or assaulted a Christian and did it because that person was a Christian, she would be under arrest. MikeAndrews 15:36, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

As much as you don't want to see it, I am leaving it unless another admin decides otherwise. Media plays a significant role shaping minds. If some without morals viewed the film and decided to murder a Christian for their beliefs, would creating that film be an example of persecution then? You know, when did you stop beating your wife question?--Jpatt 15:46, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Sources

Do we obscure further or do we educate? List of refs Hollywood attacks Christ [1][2][3][4][5] --Jpatt 11:01, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

persecution

"Persecution" is a pretty strong word and the whole article is weakened by petty examples from the U.S. RJJensen 18:15, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

It is only petty now after you stubbed the section. Your whole point is to water down persecution to just ridicule. By doing so, you ignore or hope the real story is buried. When in fact it goes much deeper, as the article on militant gays portrays more than just ridicule.--Jpatt 20:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
ridicule is part of the American political tradition; it is not persecution. And of course conservatives do it a lot--listen to Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter. The point is that "persecution" means real actions that cross beyond the line of normal political discourse. I think we should use the annual State Depyt report to expand the page to talk about real persecution, for example in Africa. RJJensen 23:57, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
  1. Alicia Silverstone Joins Hollywood Celebrities to Spoof Traditional Views on Marriage Fox News, April 22, 2009
  2. Survey: Americans Believe Religious Values Are 'Under Attack' Anti-Defamation League, November 14, 2008
  3. "Hollywood's culture of death" JillStanek.com, February 23, 2009
  4. Is Hollywood anti-Christian? Ron Howard's 'Angels & Demons' sparks debate anew NY Daily News, May 15th 2009
  5. The Media and Hollywood War Against Christianity NewsMax, October 2, 2003