Talk:Columbine High School Massacre

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This article should be at "Columbine massacre". Human 20:00, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm fine (obviously) with "Columbine High School massacre". Thank you. Human 20:25, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
I thought "Columbine massacre" may be a bit too ambiguous, since Columbines are also flowers. I wouldn't want someone to come and mistake this for "the flower massacre". --Hojimachongtalk 20:29, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

I would prefer Columbine school shooting. I tried moving Wikipedia's parallel article there as well. [1] --Ed Poor 13:30, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

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Anti-religious?

Where in the sources does it say that the shooters where anti-religious or targetting specially christians? cant find any mention about that. Timppeli 20:10, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

It's common knowledge, but I'll go find a source to add authenticity. --Hojimachongtalk 20:11, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, I do seem to remember they asked one girl if she was a Christian before shooting her. ColinRtalk 20:12, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
That was Cassie Bernall. Sorry, I didn't see the Christianity part; that's a myth, they just wanted body count. --Hojimachongtalk 20:14, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
You sure? I remember reading in Newsweek about one killer asking a girl if she was a Christian before shooting her in the head. ColinRtalk 20:44, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
It's in the 2nd citation in the article.--Stereophile 21:09, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

I find it odd that the article says they're anti-religous when Eric was raised Catholic and Dylan was raised Luteran? Is it just convienent to leave this out? Jrssr5 11:39, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

I also find it odd that the article states that the boys were anti-social, anti-gun control, and whatnot, but provides no sources to actually support those opinions. Many things have been cleared up or found out in the past ten years. The article looks like it was written the week after the shooting.Innkeeper 00:07, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Edits Needed

Three edits are needed in order to improve this article. First off, the article indicates that "The killers were anti-religion, anti-establishment, antisocial, and anti-sports." While some or all of this statement may or may not be true, the cited article(s) don't indicate that any part of the statement is true, and in the sidebar even shows that neither was as outcast from their peers as much as portrayed in most renditions of the events. It goes to say that "They were not captains of the football team, but they were far more accepted than many of their schoolmates. They hung out with a tight circle of close friends and partied regularly on the weekend with a wider crowd." I think that this should either be removed or a source that properly and verifiably indicates the statement in question is correct.

Also, a large part of their plot was not only that they would gun down students, but also set off a series pipe bombs in and around the school, despite the failure of all the bombs to detonate.It is imperative that this segment is also added to the story, as it is a major part of the events of the columbine massacre. Included with this I believe it would be appropriate in the article to delve into more detail on the backround of the attack such as the past of both boys as well as the planning that was involved in them pulling it off.--Stereophile 21:09, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

This article is on the Main Page saying it needs to be improved... yet it is locked. GodlessLiberal 15:13, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Bullying

I do not seek to excuse what the Columbine killers did; their actions were inexcusable. However, this article fails to mention the fact that their reason for murder was the fact that they were constantly bullied by classmates, likely by the ones who they later killed. -- X. Dulks

A note on "Doom"

A long-standing urban legend is that the boys had created a simulation of their school to use with the cult classic "Doom" and used this to train for their rampage. It *is* true that the boys were indeed huge fans of the game, and they *did* claim their rampage was going to be "just like Doom", but there is *no* evidence, nowhere, that they had actually created levels based on Columbine.

Levels created by one of the shooters DO exist, but these resemble nothing like a high school, being little more than straightforward all-out deathmatch arenas: hardly training for a high school rampage, let alone a "murder simulator", the current trend word for FPS games. FreakyM 08:03, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

The Harris Levels were more than just deathmatch arenas, they had several new textures among other things. Plus extra gore. But beyond that, just deathmatch. They look nothing like Columbine. Kazumaru 23:57, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Worthy of a mention on the Notes & Myths section? ConservaCelt

I Daresay

that the (small) article can barely begin to describe what happened at Columbine. Having researched the Columbine shootings for the better part of a year, I can say it's sorely lacking.

Here is a link to a thesis I wrote. (unsigned comment by Soulsetfire) (link removed due to inappropriate image and excessive language by DanH ))

Michael Moore is what exactly

Can we please decide if Moore is a socialist or liberal. The two things are entirely distinct. Contributors may enjoy accusing him of being both, but this is rather like calling him a communist and a fascist. Frankly, though he may approve of a national health service, nothing else he has said suggests he is in favor of widespread collectivization. Let's just call him left-wing and leave it at that.

  • Moore has also stated he is in favor of wealth redistribution as well. I would say he is a socialistic liberal. --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 22:02, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

Americans

I removed an unsourced statement that the perpetrators sought out "Americans". That would hardly have been difficult in a Colorado High School. Daphnea 14:18, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

New Information & Expansion of page

I was hoping to expand this page more, using the acclaimed book Columbine by Dave Cullen, as well as the many trustable Christian citations available online, any objections? ConservaCelt

Welcome to Conservapedia! Feel free to expand the article as you are able! With regards, AnupamTalk 21:39, 26 May 2012 (EDT)
Thanks! I have an issue before I begin, the article contains a lot of media speculation that occurred before evidence releases (The killers were anti-religion, anti-establishment, antisocial; they sought out as victims Christians and popular athletes.) that were later found to be untrue. I believe I may have a problem proceeding, as these issues have been brought up and were not addressed? I feel this should be noted before I begin editing. ConservaCelt

Nazi racist anti-Christian bigotry

  • This can proved killing three of their victims: Isiah Shoels was shot dead because he was black and two Christian girls Cassie and Rachel were also shot dead.

Does anyone think picking Hitler's birthday is related to murdering a black and two Christians? --Ed Poor Talk 10:43, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

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