Talk:Conscientious objector

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This appears to be copied directly from Wikipedia. MountainDew 18:27, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, so I re-deleted it and started over. Thanks. --Ed Poor 18:43, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
The link I rolled back appears to be against US policy, rather than "against war in general". --Ed Poor 18:49, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
The link is a resource for GIs and similar to help them properly set down and address what a conscientious objector is and what to do about it if you are in the military. I personally know two individuals who are former military who have declared CO status while in the military using resources given at this link. One is a former Vietnam vet (no, it wasn't a link at that time), the other was discharged this past August. The organization is about making sure that people are aware of what rights you do give up in the military and what rights you still have and making certain that the military does not over step its bounds in recruiting. It is not any more "anti US policy" today than it was twenty years ago. If you look at the publiciations[1] you will not see an anti-American (nor even an anti US policy) sentiment. --Mtur 18:59, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
I want to put this in, too, but I'd like some feedback first:
  • Someone who sides against his own country in a war is decidedly NOT a conscientious objector. Terms to describe such a person include war resister or anti-war activist, but these terms are misleading, as they blur the distinction between (1) moral or religous objection to all wars and (2) refusal to fight on a particular side in a particular war. (see selective conscientious objection).
Does this sound correct? --Ed Poor 19:01, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
That does sound correct. There is a significant difference between the 'American taliban' and a person who opposes fighting. --Mtur 19:10, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
I think there's also a difference between wanting yoru country to lose a war and just not wanting your country to fight a war; with very careful reading of the proposed text, I think you agree with that, but it's really not very clear. The text 'sides against his own country' maybe could be 'disagrees with his own country's position' or 'disagrees with the decision to fight'? --Jtl 19:55, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Re: rights, it sounds more anti-military than CO. Please read the external link I supplied, especially the part about personal convenience. --Ed Poor 19:03, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

The issue of GI rights is something that is often glossed over within the military. Can you have a bumper sticker that reads "Make Love Not War" in a car you drive on a military base? Can you attend an anti-war protest when off duty and not in uniform? These are questions that many GIs don't know the answer to, or will give the more restrictive answer. --Mtur 19:12, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
  1. Bumper stickers are up to the base commander: I've seen 's*** happens' censored for vulgarity. If it's literally "in" your car - not affixed to the bumper, then it's not a problem. ;-) Posters on the wall or your locker inside the barracks can also be regulated. Even off-post housing (for officers) gets inspected. You give up a degree of freedom to join the army.
  2. I don't know what "anti-war protest" means. Are you talking about a movement which advocates pacifism in general, on moral or religious grounds? Or a political rally which criticizes military policy, e.g. stop defending Iraq from insurgents? If it's the latter, check with your attorney before doing anything indiscreet especially if you are an officer.

None of this is related to CO by the way. You're talking about political activity. Try freedom of speech or free speech. --Ed Poor 23:51, 6 April 2007 (EDT)