Talk:Debate:Did Jesus ever claim to be God?

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Matthew 28: 18,!9.Bold text

Absolutely,Yes, Jesus does make that claim:

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

This comes word for word from the King James version.

Actually Mt 28:18, 19 does not support the claim that Jesus is God. As noted in verse 18, Jesus was given power in heaven and earth. Who gave him the authority? If Jesus is God, he would already have had that power. Same can be said with reference to the third of the Devil's temptations (Mt 4:8-10). Jesus rejected Satan's offer of world rulership by stating: "Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (also word for word). If Jesus was God, he would have made it clearer that he was the one to be worshipped ... but that's not the case. BibleBrown 12:26, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Paul, the apostle, taught that Jesus is Lord, not God. In contrast to all the pagan deities, of the region of Corinth, Paul made it abundantly clear "Yet for us there is one God, the Father of whom are all thing, and we for Him and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live. However there is not in everyone that knowledge. 1Cor 8:5 By what I observe, I'm convinced this simple truth is in very few who would consider themselves followers of Christ. It seems that they prefer to follow traditional views of man's teaching over the clear revealed truth of scripture. I know of no scripture where Jesus makes any claim to be God. He is indeed the Son Of God. He is never referenced in scripture to be "god the son" a title the vast majority of christendom would force you to believe or suffer the eternal consequences of "hell". As for mt 28:19, by their own admission Catholics fess up this is a later addition to the text not the original wording. They tried to add to 1jn. 5:7 as well, but thankfully, the greek manuscripts we have predated this interpolation. Jesus is the "Image" of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.Col 1:15.He is the IMAGE of God, not the God Himself. This God is Jesus's God and Father Eph. 1:3

Did Jesus ever claim to be God

Paul, the apostle, taught that Jesus is Lord, not God. In contrast to all the pagan deities, of the region of Corinth, Paul made it abundantly clear "Yet for us there is one God, the Father of whom are all thing, and we for Him and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live. However there is not in everyone that knowledge. 1Cor 8:5 By what I observe, I'm convinced this simple truth is in very few who would consider themselves followers of Christ. It seems that they prefer to follow traditional views of man's teaching over the clear revealed truth of scripture. I know of no scripture where Jesus makes any claim to be God. He is indeed the Son Of God. He is never referenced in scripture to be "god the son" a title the vast majority of christendom would force you to believe or suffer the eternal consequences of "hell". As for mt 28:19, by their own admission Catholics fess up this is a later addition to the text not the original wording. They tried to add to 1jn. 5:7 as well, but thankfully, the greek manuscripts we have predated this interpolation. Jesus is the "Image" of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.Col 1:15.He is the IMAGE of God, not the God Himself. This God is Jesus's God and Father Eph. 1:3

There is a biblical proof that Jesus is God which also includes a proof for the Trinity. It is based on the concept that things equal to the same thing are equal to each other. That is, if it can be shown in the Bible that there is one God whose name is Jehovah and that the Father is called Jehovah, Jesus is called Jehovah and the Holy Spirit is called Jehovah then the three Persons are the one God. --WPA 20:31, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

--Erbninc 15:14, 19 November 2009 (EST)== Did Jesus ever claim to be God ==

You are using a bad translation for Exodus 3:14

bible translators translate Ehyeh at Exodus 3:12 as "become" and then turn around and translate it as "I am" at Exodus 3:14? http://biblos.com/exodus/3-12.htm http://biblos.com/exodus/3-14.htm ( I like this website, it's not a Jehovah's Witness site but let's me look at the Hebrew and Greek for free)....Google the term Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh which was used at Exodus 3:14, what do you come up with? Why do people say "I am that I am" is not the correct translation? How does this tie in with the translation of Ehyeh at Exodus 3:12?

Now how does this relate to John 8:58 which people say Jesus used "I am" because he was God?

Jesus never claimed to be God at all, he even stated the father was greater than him at John 14:28 and 1 Cor 11:3 confirms that God is over everyone, including Jesus. Notice Revelation 1 Jesus receives the Revelation from God and at Revelation 3:12 he states "My God" several times.

Further more Jesus has brothers and co-heirs (Romans 8:17) who will co-rule with him Revelation 20:6....

Jesus can not be God. Any thing that states he is the work of the Ani-christ who wants people to worship anyone but the only True God (John 17:3), Jesus came to mediate mankind's relationship back to God (1 Tim 2:5) not be worshiped.

Scriptures like Matthew 14:33 are mistranslated just like Revelation 3:9 where it uses worship in connection with Jesus' followers in the KJV and otehr bibles. You have the same greek word for homage, bow down, obeisance as you do worship (Proskuneo), the context dictates what should be used. Jesus himself said only God should be worshiped at Matthew 4:10. Either the bible contradicts itself or there's a translation error, you guess which it is.

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