Talk:Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies/archive2

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Clean-up

This list is in need of major clean-up. Jinx McHue 13:06, 19 December 2009 (EST)

Please proceed as you suggest. Thanks!--Andy Schlafly 13:29, 19 December 2009 (EST)
Okay. I'll get to it when I have time after this weekend. Jinx McHue 11:00, 20 December 2009 (EST)

Here's an interesting article by Roger Ebert

Anyone agree with his choices? I don't want to add any unless people agree with them. JRobbe

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060105/EDITOR/60106001

Interesting article, The choices seem to be by someone else (Feder?), but the list is interesting. Feel free to add those that you think merit it. It's seems like a legitimate list, though I saw only one of the films mentioned.--Andy Schlafly 20:59, 5 January 2010 (EST)

You're right, my mistake, it was Don Feder who originally wrote the list. Coach Carter is the only one I've seen, and I definitely agree that it has a conservative message. I'll add it, and if anyone has any qualms please feel free to change it. Since I haven't seen the others, I'll let someone with more knowledge of the films determine if they qualify to be on this list. JRobbe

Oh, I see, that's Don Feder. We previously recognized him with an honorable mention in Essay:Conservatives of the Decade. All his choices are likely good. I can confirm that Feder is right about "Batman Begins," and I doubt Feder mishits on any of his choices.--Andy Schlafly 21:18, 5 January 2010 (EST)


Fargo

The directors are liberal (Cohen brothers), much sensationalized bloodshed and terror- some of the reasons I didn't know if this was fit for "Greatest". What say you?--Jpatt 00:53, 7 January 2010 (EST)

I disliked the movie intensely --it portrays our rural part of the world in very negative terms--and did not see much conservative about it. RJJensen 02:04, 7 January 2010 (EST)

Although Fargo is one of my favorite movies, I wouldn't say for a second that it's conservative. At the same time, I wouldn't argue that it's liberal. I don't see much of a political agenda in the film.JRobbe

Let's toss it then. Whoever recommended it can't even spell "pious". (Don't take that personally if the poster is legitimate!).--Andy Schlafly 18:51, 7 January 2010 (EST)

Pillow Talk?

How does a leading man slapping a leading lady square up any way with conservative values and chivalry? Tyrone 16:08, 17 January 2010 (EST)

A movie free of feminist thought-policing is on the list because ... conservatives do not support the feminist distortions. Understand it now?--Andy Schlafly 16:29, 17 January 2010 (EST)
No. On the chivalry page, you wrote that chivalry includes "men opening doors for women" and "protection of the weaker elements of society." [1] How does feminism have anything to do with the perceived conservative action of physically assaulting a woman? Tyrone 16:34, 17 January 2010 (EST)

I'm not sure I agree with it's inclusion, but for a different reason. The whole movie is basically about premarital sex. It's not as upfront about it as a modern film would be, but it's pretty obviously implied. Not to mention the cast: there's Dorris Day - isn't she a member of PETA? - and Rock Hudson (about whom nothing more has to be said.) Don't get me wrong, I rather like the movie, but I'm not sure if its themes are appropriate for "Greatest Conservative Movies." JacobB 17:26, 17 January 2010 (EST)

I doubt Hudson or Day wrote the script, which is what really counts. Any actor or actress could have filled those roles and Hudson and Day did not add anything significant. The script is anti-feminist, and no film can be made today like it. You make valid points about the sex but it is the anti-feminist nature of the movie that earns its consideration.--Andy Schlafly 17:51, 17 January 2010 (EST)

Dark Matter

Are there any sources for the claim that liberals first praised the movie, then panned it? If not, I'm going to toss that part out. JRobbe

Yes, the movie won an early film festival, as one would expect due to its star-studded casting, superb production, and intelligent scripting. Indeed, this movie was at the high level of Academy Award nominees. But the movie was subsequently panned by liberal reviewers and ostracized from the Academy Award contest.--Andy Schlafly 20:09, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Reorganization

If nobody minds, I think this list would be greatly improved if it were organized chronologically (or alphabetically, I guess). I started arranging things in chronological order and encourage anyone adding new films to please put them in order as well. This would be helpful for research purposes and general organization. Thanks! EMorris 12:23, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for your suggestion, but wouldn't ranking by significance make the most sense?--Andy Schlafly 23:47, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
I'll buy that, but significance is pretty subjective, isn't it? Also, a lot of these movies espouse different conservative values, so I feel like it's harder to say whether Bruce Almighty is more significant than Rocky, for example; they're cinematic apples and oranges. How would you suggest we define "significance" for this list? The simplest way would be to create categories for different conservative values, I guess. It's an interesting question. EMorris 11:55, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
Sure, "significance" is subjective, but so is the officiating in the World Cup. It seems to me that a ranking based on significance, albeit somewhat subjective, is better than mixing the obscure with the profound. But I have an open mind about this.--Andy Schlafly 14:03, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
I'm not arguing that we could rank based on significance, just that it could be very messy. If you have an idea in mind for how to measure the significance, please post it! My only problem is that trying to rank by significance without providing a definition of significance will probably just lead to a ton of unproductive argument. EMorris 16:10, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
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