Talk:Essay:Greatest Conservative Sports Stars

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Mr Schlafly: this is such a great insight. I'm really impressed by some of the powerful conservative thinking on CP. Do you think most sports players are conservative because being successful at sport means being competitive? i.e trying to do your best instead of being a liberal wuss and complaining about other people doing well. Is it OK to add conservatives in UK sports like rugby, cricket and football? HollyS 17:26, 26 November 2011 (EST)

Competitive sports is a meritocracy, which is a conservative value. Liberals prefer to "spread the wealth," which in sports would mean leveling the wins and losses.
Please do add legitimate examples from around the world.--Andy Schlafly 17:29, 26 November 2011 (EST)
I agree this is a fascinating page; enough so that I joined to help edit! Many athletes praise God in postgame interviews, etc., across all sports. I wonder if there's a way to work that into this page? LeRoyB 17:18, 28 November 2011 (EST)

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Football

Hi Andy, For Gavin Peacock, you changed "football" to "soccer" but you've left the sport beside some other people's names (Tim Tebow and Kurt Warner - sorry, I've never heard of them) as plain "football". Does that mean American football? (like rugby league with padding). Shouldn't we change "football" for those guys to "American football" so as not to confuse people outside the USA? Otherwise, this is a great page - and I don't see any nit-picky socialists whining about any of their guys being top sports(wo)men! HollyS 18:07, 28 November 2011 (EST)

I disagree. It is pretty obvious that football is American football. What the Europeans call football is really called "Association football" or "soccer" for short. JamieM 20:36, 28 November 2011 (EST)
It's not obvious to people outside the USA. And I think you'll find that football was invented in England. (Except I expect archaeologists will find it came from France, like cricket...)HollyS 16:36, 29 November 2011 (EST)
I am for getting rid of the non-American stars. At a minimum, a separate section. Plus, we do need to some conservative women on this page. Who follows women's sports in the Olympics, WNBA, NCAA Basketball, Fast Pitch Softball?--Jpatt 23:25, 29 November 2011 (EST)
I would expect that the American flag on the Conservapedia logo should give plenty of evidence that this is an American site. Anyone used to visiting sites outside their home country should be aware that "football" means different things in different countries (there's Australian, Canadian, and Gaelic - association football is by no means the only "football" outside the U.S.) and that in the USA it means American football. KingHanksley 16:50, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

Track and Field

Would Al Oerter qualify? He was the greatest discus thrower ever, one of only two athletes to win their event at four conservative Olympics. He was critical of the "drug culture" that had overtaken sports when he finally retired (at an age much older than when most athletes retire). He criticized steroid use.--Andy Schlafly 00:21, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Sunday Sport

Can anyone clarify the actual significance of playing sport on a Sunday? Many people are included here for refusing to play on Sunday, and yet Lewis Hamilton is listed, when his sport take place exclusively on Sundays. --QPR 08:26, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Perhaps God has guided Ewen Murray to honour Him by observing the Sabbath, but Lewis Hamilton to glorify Him with outstanding achievements on the Sabbath. Questioning how the Lord has revealed himself to different people is awfully dangerous territory. Be humble enough to understand that He is working in different ways in different people with perfect wisdom. HollyS 19:30, 30 November 2011 (EST)
You may well be right HollyS, but the problem is this page is not about sports stars who have been moved to act in particular ways by God; it's about conservative sports stars. It's hardly conservative to say that any behaviour is laudable as long as it's guided by God. Conservationism (thought I hate to oversimplify) is about sticking to some very strict ideas of what is right and what is wrong.--QPR 08:38, 2 December 2011 (EST)

Maradona

I don't think Maradona should be on this list. First of all, the "Hand of God" Goal was actually a cheated goal. Maradona touched the ball with his hand and later called it the Hand of God...
His personal life, according to the other Wiki, seems not so conservative as well. Maradona is divorced, cheated on his ex-wife, was addicted to cocaine and is nowadays very much befriended with Fidel Castro (according to TOW, he has a tattoo of Castro and Che Guevara) and highly critical of George W. Bush and the United States in general.--VPropp 08:20, 12 December 2011 (EST)

We don't use the other wiki as a source of information, but I agree that Maradona is not conservative at all. Here is a video of Maradona talking at a Hugo Chavez speech. It is in Spanish, what Maradona says is: "Argentina is a worthy country. Lets throw Bush out!" [1] --AlejandroH 12:33, 12 December 2011 (EST)
Thanks for the info cooncerning the use of TOW. I crosschecked it with the German version, but was otherwise just too busy to find reliable data. I knew though beforehand, from reliable sources, that the "Hand of God" Goal had nothing to do with God, but was at best Maradona joking or at worst being blasphemous. À Dieu--VPropp 13:05, 12 December 2011 (EST)

Moe Berg

Was Moe Berg really a conservative? I could not find any information on his political views. Being a spy during, not before WWII, seems insufficient to make him a conservative. I thought he might have been conservative because he turned down the Medal of Freedom which would have been awarded by Harry Truman ( a Democrat), but I couldn't find anything on his reasons to do that either. Additionaly, from what I've read he was not really a great, but rather mediocre sports star, although an extremely interesting one.
In conclusion: I don't think he belongs on this list. Any differing opinions?--VPropp 12:28, 22 December 2011 (EST)

Interesting comments. Does anyone else have information about this?--Andy Schlafly 12:38, 22 December 2011 (EST)
I added him initially. One of our characteristics of a Conservative is the belief "A strong national defense." Keep in mind he was spying on Japan because there was a strong feeling that we might go to war with them; there were certainly tensions already, and being caught spying in such a context would have had serious consequences for Mr. Berg. Needless to say, no liberal would put his neck on the line like that! I'll go ahead and add him in a few days unless there are objections.LeRoyB 14:58, 4 January 2012 (EST)
Well from what I've read, his spying on Japan consisted of him making a few videos from the roof of a hospital. I'm not quite sure if such an action would have lead to serious consequences. Seems more like normal tourist behaviour. I'm also not quite sure if he did the filming with the intention of spying, or if the OSS aproached him later asking for the film.
But be that as it may. Another reason why I'm not too convinced about the national defense angle is that I've read that Mr. Berg mainly wanted to work for the CIA after the War, so he could travel on their expense, which was one of the reasons, why the CIA did not rehire him.
As you can see from my comment above, I could not find any other signs that Mr. Berg was a conservative. He seems to have been rather apolitical.
But if you want to readd him, be my guest. He was certainly a very interesting individual, that deserves to be admired.--VPropp 15:12, 4 January 2012 (EST)
All good points. In doing more research myself he does seem like more of an oddball than a hero, so I'll look around for some more inspiring entries. Thanks!LeRoyB 13:20, 6 January 2012 (EST)

Possible Addition?

The Conservapedia article on Jeremy Lin talks about his strong Christian faith, and contains a quote of Lin talking about his faith. It looks like it would meet the criteria for "conservative" Sy20 11:55, 24 March 2012 (EDT)

Jeremy is a great person but I'm not sure he has achieved enough yet to make it on this esteemed list. Can you find quotes about his politics?--Andy Schlafly 13:24, 24 March 2012 (EDT)

Ted Williams

Can we find a better example of media bias against Ted Williams? As I recall, the same year Ted hit .400, Joltin' Joe DiMaggio had a 56-game hit streak, and only one of them could win MVP. (Or they could tie in the voting, I guess, but you can't vote for Co-MVPs). Maybe I'm just biased since I'm a Yankees fan, but I think DiMaggio deserved it more that year. Either way, it's questionable. Can anyone think of anything? Gregkochuconn 23:00, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

DiMaggio's 56-game hit streak was spectacular, and one of the few baseball records that may never be broken. But a baseball season is 162 games (or 154 games then), and Ted Williams hit .400 over the entire season, not merely part of it.
An analysis of the media voting shows it was bias that deprived Williams of the MVP that year. I think one sportswriter left Williams off his ballot entirely, for example.--Andy Schlafly 00:19, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
Fair enough Andy. I will add information on that sportswriter to the article to make it more clear. And like I said, it's questionable whether Williams or Dimmagio was more impressive. Williams could go 0-for-4 one day and get back on track by going 3-for-4 the next day. Jolting Joe didn't have that luxury. But this isn't a baseball debate, so let's end it. That information about Williams being left off the ballot does indeed show bias. Gregkochuconn 16:46, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
Your point is well-taken. I do think DiMaggio's 56-game hit streak is one of the greatest records in all of sports. After his streak was broken, he then had another hitting game streak after that, in the same season. Your edit to the content page is perfect.--Andy Schlafly 22:44, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

Rick Monday

I can find no proof of him being a conservative, per se, but he did once save an American Flag from a burning in 1976 during a Chicago Cubs - Los Angeles Dodgers game. WesleySHello! 18:25, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

That rescue of the American flag -- which was widely publicized -- does suggest that Rick Monday is probably conservative.--Andy Schlafly 19:07, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
Well, it is something I would do as well, although I'm not as conservative as most here. I'll add him to the list nonetheless. WesleySHello! 19:45, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Sir John Major

I am for deleting this entry. The person in question must be recognized for their sporting achievements. For example, I wanted to add Lou Holtz, but he is known for his coaching and not his days playing for Kent State. --Jpatt 22:54, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

If the speaker is obscure and irrelevent...

Then why include the quote? The quote isn't important unless the speaker is. --SharonW 12:53, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

Moving quote about Tebow

Moving part of the quote about Tebow removes context. The analysist was talking about Tebow not being a team player, and him trying to draw attention to himself rather than the coach and starting quarterback. Without the context, the remaining quote could be interpreted by a reader as to apply to Tebow due to his religious beliefs - which it did not. SharonW 16:24, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

I clarified Tebow's entry based on my comment above. The way it was before implied the statement from the ESPN reporter referred to Tebow's religion. It wasn't, and without clarification, the quote is cherry-picking. SharonW 16:38, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

New Addition

I'm not that good at wiki-code, so if someone better could put marathoner Ryan Hall up on the list, I believe he'd be a welcome addition. I first read about him here, where when asked to list his coach on a form at a routine drug test, he answered "God" --Guitarsniper 22:54, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

I added him. AndrewTompkins 22:58, 16 July 2012 (EDT)


David Icke is a madman who thinks lizard men run the world. Eric liddle was a deeply christian man, but he was a socialist who would turn in his grave to be called conservative.

Charles Barkley

I'm removing Charles Barkley's entry. Yes, he has supported guns, but he has served time for a DUI and admitted frequenting prostitutes and indulging in oral copulation, has been charged with assault (though acquitted, he still became involved in the fight), and charged with aggravated battery and resisting arrest for hurling an Orlando bar patron through a plate-glass window. Such a man is exactly the type of man who should not be allowed carry a gun - his behaviour is hardly fitting of mention in a list of 'Greatest Conservative Sports Stars', is it? Wonders 16:34, 21 January 2013 (EST)

David Icke

David Icke should have no part in this list either. 1) "Greatest"? Hardly - he retired from professional soccer at the age of 21 from injuries having had a completely unremarkable career in the bottom divisions of UK soccer; 2) "Conservative"? Hardly - he is a believer in Extraterrestrial Lizard Gods, Man's evolution from these extraterrestrial lizards and all forms of strange conspiracy theories in between; 3) "Sports"? See 1); "Stars"? See 1). Wonders 19:40, 21 January 2013 (EST)

Well in most of his works he opposes the idea of big government as well as the Illuminati/New World Order. His work is similar to Alex Jones. So I'd say he is conservative or at least Right-Leaning Libertarian. -Ted D

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