Talk:Europa

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Before deleting important material like images please talk to the editor. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 00:30, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Okay. Why do you have a picture of the moon which is almost as large as the rest of the article, when there is a separate page for the moon upon which that image belongs?
Also, I decreased the size of the map, which was ridiculous in comparison with the article's content, and fixed the formatting and wording slightly.
What exactly do you take issue with?--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 00:40, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
See: [1]

by TerryH; he did the article Europa (moon) and like to illustrate the link in that way. I think that pic is nice. 2 to one, the pic remains. You may do the rest of the changes. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 01:44, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Eh. Kind of pointless if it's still going to look like that, isn't it? I'm glad you like it though, and I'm sure someone else will come along to help with it soon.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 01:52, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
I put that picture in there, and in that proportion, for a reason: Europa as the name of a moon of Jupiter is at least as important as Europa as the name of a continent. I would, for the same reason, welcome any semi-authoritative illustration of Europa the Phoenician princess as soon as someone wants to write an article about her.--TerryHTalk 09:29, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
But this is an article about the continent, as you can clearly see because there is a different article about the moon. The moon is certainly important, but it has its own page. Do we really need an enormous image of a different topic on an article, when that article's text is less than a third of its size?--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 15:14, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
Are you really as clueless as the above post suggests? The article itself says that Europa is also the name of a moon of Jupiter. In sum, this is a disambiguation article in all but name. So, of course that extra image is appropriate. And does not the continent of Europe have its own page? No—this is an article about a word that can stand for at least two things and probably three. None of these things is necessarily more important than any other.--TerryHTalk 15:27, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
Is it really necessary to get nasty? We're trying to come to a conclusion here and work out a disagreement, so do you really think it is going to help matters to insult me?
This page doesn't look like a disambiguation page to me. It looks like a page for the name "Europa" as applied to the continent in many languages, with "also" information about the moon and person tagged on.
If it's a disambiguation page, it should probably be made into one.
As for me, I am done with this. I assume you won't be punished for making personal remarks, even though I would be, but that doesn't mean I have to continue to converse with you. Again, you are free to do as you like.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 15:35, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Tom, you talk, talk a great deal. Why do we not see much constructive editing from you? And as the article gives equal coverage to both Europas, I am at a loss to know why you are bellyaching. Take a powder, and try to contribute. Bugler 17:27, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Shucks, Bugler, I sure am sorry I am not up to your standards. Thank you for the admonition.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 20:05, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
I have to agree with Tom's sentiment here. Perhaps this page should be made into a disambiguation page as, in its current form, it does not give as much information about either Europe or Europa_(moon) than their respective articles --J00ni 16:48, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
Please see the Category: Dictionary of this article. It only pretends to be an explanation of the word; nothing else. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 12:38, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
In that case I propose it be something along the lines of:

Europa

1) The name for the continent of Europe in many European languages including German, Spanish and Italian
2) The second innermost of the Galilean moons of Jupiter
3) The Phoenician princess who, according to legend, gave Europe its name
--J00ni 12:47, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
Fine, go ahead. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 12:58, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Revision undo?

Joaquin, I had only rearranged the text so that it made better grammatical sense, and removed the 'see also' (as it was superfluous). I don't understand why you just reverted the edit with no explanation --J00ni 12:43, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

That See also has a very important role there. The display has been discussed before and is what we think is better. If you have a good reason besides your personal preferences I will be looking for them. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 14:07, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
What is that very important role? The way it reads now, the sentence about europe being the birthplace of modern culture, is completely out of place. And the see also gives unnecessary prominence to Europa (moon)--J00ni 18:22, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
I have rearranged the text, so at least it makes more sense, and all the info referring to the continent f europe is grouped together. Also the disambiguation text makes more sense as the opening, so readers are clear that this is a page to link to other, more detailed, texts. I have left the 'see also' despite not believeing it serves an important function - though I'll let you respond to that first. If you have issues with the order of the text as per my edit, please explain, as I feel I have done, since it is no more correct that the format of the page should be according to your personal preference --J00ni 18:31, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
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All you have done till now is fine. Let us leave it that way. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 18:08, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
I still don't see why the 'see also' is needed - though I'm glad you are happy with the edit as it is, at least now it reads better imo --J00ni 18:22, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

On the map on this page and on the Europa (Continent) there is about a thousand kilometres, and at least three countries (more depending on who wins what war where at the moment) not included. They are off to the right somewhere.AlanE 20:11, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

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