Talk:Friedrich Nietzsche

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"Insane" is an antiquated and imprecise term; it's just not used anymore. And the origins of Nietzsche's mental breakdown probably had something to do with a brain tumor, or syphillis, or mental breakdown.

The "joke" from the magazine seems out-of-place for an entry so thin. Oh, and the time magazine cover is from April 8, 1966, not 1965.

--WOVcenter 18:09, 6 March 2007 (EST)

I think the last paragraph regarding the perception of the joke need not be eliminated. If it was reworded to be less-combative and opinionated, it would be an informative counter-point.--Dave3172 16:25, 10 March 2007 (EST)

I agree, especially if the person explained why this was a distortion of Nietzsche's philosophy rather than just taking a cheap shot at Christianity. MountainDew 16:27, 10 March 2007 (EST)

How is that a cheap shot at Christianity? This joke makes us look stupid and insecure; Nietzsche would have loved it. It takes up a huge portion of the page on the philosopher, which is clearly written by someone who has never read anything he wrote. Nietzsche's "god is dead" quote is not a major point of his philosophy, only a part of a larger point he was making, and to write an encyclopedia article focused on it is to reveal a serious and embarrassing ignorance of his work. I think the popularity of this simple play on words does reveal a great deal about his thought, pointing to the insecurity of Christians when faced with philosophical challenges. Read Nietzsche and write a serious repudiation appropriate for an encyclopedia, or remove that joke.

I think you can have the joke stay - after all, it is probably the most universally-known reference to him. But you can still write a criticism of that joke, and the thinking behind it, provided it's not combative and opinion instead of fact. I think the edits you made to the first paragraph were great; I'd love to see what you could write about the joke.--Dave3172 16:43, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Contents

About the section retitled On Politics

As much as I like the quote about liberals, it's disingenuous to try and use it in a modern context. Cbrad 23:37, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

on nietzsche's views of christianity

The section regarding the first appearance of "God is dead" is factually wrong. Reference to the actual text will show the phrase appears in Aphorism 108, at the very beginning of Book III, as the entry now reflects. The rest of the entry displayed a misguided attempt to downplay the degree of Nietzsche's antagonism towards Christianity. Cbrad 23:37, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

"Christianity is the point of all weakness".
So, why does he hate Christianity so much? o_0 Fuzzy|AFD 17:18, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Try reading his books. He explains quite clearly why he dislikes Christianity. The "God is dead" claim has been subtly misinterpreted in this article.

Madman and the Death of God

In the text I have, it says the "Madman and the Death of God" appears in Joyful Wisdom, not The Gay Science. +_+ Fuzzy|AFD 17:44, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

They are the same book, but the titles have been translated differently from the original German. Gay means joyful.


Block Quote?

I removed the block quote, even though the article qualifies that Eva Forester Nietzsche falsified Nietzsche's writing as a political maneuver to secure her rise in the Nazi party, although not explicitly as it should. The quote gives clemency to the argument that Nietzsche had anything to do with Fascism, which is completely untrue. --JPEngozi 23:57, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Homosexuality

He was a homosexual was he not? yet no mention of this here? he was also a pedophile. also to note would be his death, and the last act was to raise a fist tword heaven and then die.

I am pretty sure he wasn't. If he was I can't find any evidence to suggest this either. If you had a source that would be nice --FreddyK 11:38, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Insanity

I discovered this page while playing with the random button. There are a few things in the article that are pretty shallow readings of Nietzschen philosophy. Aside from that though the article equates Nietzsche's insanity with his philosphy. During my undergrad I took a class on Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, and existentialism. In my class it mentioned that Nietzsche's father also suffered from a brain ailment that he later died from around the same age of Nietzsche. My Professor also went to explain how among philosophers, no one credits his later insanity to his philosophy. "Some argue that Nietzsche was afflicted with a syphilitic infection (this was the original diagnosis of the doctors in Basel and Jena) contracted either while he was a student or while he was serving as a hospital attendant during the Franco-Prussian War; some claim that his use of chloral hydrate, a drug which he had been using as a sedative, undermined his already-weakened nervous system; some speculate that Nietzsche's collapse was due to a brain disease he inherited from his father; some maintain that a mental illness gradually drove him insane; some maintain that he suffered from a slow-growing, frontal cranial base tumor; some maintain that he suffered from CADASIL syndrome, a heriditary stroke disorder. The exact cause of Nietzsche's incapacitation remains unclear." The article doesn't do him much justice :/

Forgot a referance to the quoted text. Sorry. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche/#LatPerWri188188 Stanford's encyclopedia of Philosophy.

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