Talk:Goliath

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Dual User provenance

This article is largely a dual submission of original work. I am the same user as Temlakos on CreationWiki, and the material for my edits of this article is based on this version of the CreationWiki article, which (except for the link to a previously uploaded image) is entirely my own work.--TerryHTalk 13:57, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Robert Wadlow

The comparison between Wadlow and Goliath is for medical reasons only, as both suffered from gigantism. However, while Goliath was a fearsome soldier for the Philistines, Wadlow was a complete opposite; he was known as "the Gentle Giant" by Alton residents and was very well-loved by many. Karajou 14:33, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

The name Goliath

I deleted some material about the non-Semitic nature of the name "Goliath" being used as an argument against the historicity of Goliath. In fact scholars have known for quite a long time that the Philistines originated from Asia Minor/Greece and were of Indo-European ancestry - hence finding an Indo-European name on a potsherd in a Philistine city was no surprise. (In fact there were two names on the postsherd, ALWT and WLT - neither is identoical with Goliath, which is thought to be connected with the Lydian name Alyattes, but they share similarities). PiCo 13:31, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, but I don't accept that as friendly. In fact, skeptics of the historicity of Goliath did use the non-Semitic nature of his name to make their point--as the reference I cited clearly states.--TerryHTalk 15:09, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
I haven't come across the non-semitic origin of Goliath being used as an argument for the non-historicity of the Goliath story in 1 Samuel 17 - could you provide me an example? So far as I know the Philistines have long been identified with the Egytian "sea peoples" (i.e., that's what the Egyptians called them, not what they called themselves); one of the "sea peoples" were the Peleset, or Philistines, whom the Egyptians describe as settling on the coast of Canaan in the area later known as the cities of the Philistines. This was about 1200 BC. Gath was one of those cities, and the most powerful of the Philistine cities, together with Akron/Ekron, at the time of David - it was later destroyed by Hazrael of Damascus and never resettled. Please read up and satisfy yourself that you really are right and I'm wrong. (I'm not at all unfriendly, I just want to get it right). PiCo 07:36, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
The Wikipedia entry on Goliath makes much of the non-Semitic nature of the name Goliath. For academic reasons, I do not normally cite Wikipedia entries in my articles. But the statement about Goliath being a non-Semitic name traces directly to Aren Maeir, who commented on the potsherd find. I have now included a reference to his comment on the Tell es-Safi Blog.
You are correct about the Philistines: they were the "sea peoples" in Egyptian lore. But the date you quoted sounds suspiciously like a Sothic date--and according to James Ussher and Edwin R. Thiele, the Philistines must have been in place a lot sooner than 1200 BC, because the Judges of Israel fought several wars of insurrection against them.--TerryHTalk 10:16, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
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