Talk:Ground Zero Mosque

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Proposed layout

This is a suggested guideline for this article:

Intro paragraph
Description of the building; give approximate height when finished, cost, architects, location, etc.
Sponsors; names of the people/organizations paying for the building.
Controversies; why does Islam want this building at this particular site; who would benefit; any connections to known terrorist organizations; Mayor Bloomberg's role, etc.
American reactions; why the majority of Americans do not want this built. Karajou 12:16, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

Possible arguments for the site:

  • Government should not invade the personal freedoms of a religious group, its a slippiery slope
  • We should respect all peoples rights to worship
  • The act of a few should not be taken as offense of all. There are a billion Muslim, they clearly are not all terrorist
  • The local troops our service men have fought with in Iraq and Afganistan are Muslims, we should honor their help

Description

The term "mosque" implies that the building will look like a mosque, i.e., with minarets. I think rather it will be an ordinary looking (box-shaped) office building. You won't know that it has a mosque inside it, unless you inquire.

It is 2 or 3 blocks from the Ground Zero site, depending on how you measure. As a pedestrian living in Manhattan, I would call it 3 blocks, because that's how far I would have to walk to get to the building entrance.

Should our article refer to the proposed structure as being a mosque or containing a mosque?

Should our article imply that the proposed structure is ON the site, ADJACENT TO the site, or SEPARATED FROM the site, by two city blocks of tall buildings?

Note that the name of the building is part of the P.R., and part of the rhetoric used to discuss the proposal. Calling it the "Ground Zero Mosque" implies that it's directly on the site (or maybe right across the street), and that it will look like a mosque, complete with minarets.

For contrast, note that I currently reside in a "church" which is simply a 3-floor brownstone in Harlem, indistinguishable from any of the dozens of neighboring brownstones except for the sign. There is no steeple.

(Note: I wrote the above paragraphs long ago but forgot to sign them. --Ed Poor Talk 20:04, 17 January 2011 (EST))

Controversies

The sponsors say they are building an interfaith center. I'm not sure about the significance of its proximity to the 9/11 site. I do know that the land is being donated by a real estate firm owned by a Muslim.

The purpose of the interfaith center is reconciliation.

Opponents have called it a "Victory Mosque", probably a reference to the age-old practice in India of Muslims and Hindus destroying each other's religious buildings and erecting their own on the same land: i.e., Muslims destroying a Hindu temple and erecting a mosque; Hindus destroying a Muslim mosque and erecting a Hindu temple. (That would be a fascinating historical article in itself.)

I wonder how far away from Ground Zero conservatives, Republicans, and other GZM opponents would require any new mosques to be built? Or more to the point, any new ordinary-looking buildings which contain a place for Muslims to worship. Would 3 miles be enough? Or what? --Ed Poor Talk 15:26, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

Redundancy

The introductory sentence refers to the site as a "Muslim mosque," which is like saying "Jewish synagogue." It sounds very redundant, at least to me. Agree/disagree? EMorris 15:42, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

You left out "Christian church". Who cares? You are free to fix it, if it bothers you so much, but there are bigger fish to fry here (though not on Friday in a Catholic church ;-) --Ed Poor Talk 15:57, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
It doesn't bother me "so much," but it felt like a mistake to me, and I like to fix those when I find them. I know that there are more significant contributions to be made, but I don't think we should intentionally gloss over the little things either. Who cares? I do! EMorris 16:25, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

Being fair about this

As a New York City resident who spent that entire week in shock, I can tell you it's not easy to be fair, let alone neutral about this. But I'm also a member of a religious group which is working hard to promote interfaith cooperation between Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Did you know that there is a Grand Central Mosque 2 or 3 blocks away from Grand Central Station? I have in office in the same building, on 43rd Street between 5th Avenue and 6th Avenue. --Ed Poor Talk 20:01, 17 January 2011 (EST)

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