Talk:Harry Potter

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The Onion

I question this material:

These claims were conflated and exacerbated by a piece in the satirical newspaper The Onion purporting to interview children who had become involved in satanism and witchcraft after reading the Harry Potter books and could now cast spells.[5] [6] Rowling has denied such claims.[7] The mainstream media has not taken this claim seriously.

The Onion is a stitch and a lot of people love it, but I doubt that it was an important influence in the Harry Potter phenomenon. The (very good) article cited to support the sentence "Rowling has denied such claims" says nothing about The Onion or about claims that readers of the books learned to cast spells. I haven't bothered to check the history to see who added this, but I suspect a leg-pull. Dpbsmith 21:45, 3 March 2007 (EST)

The Snopes reference particularly mentions the Harry Potter article and asserts that it was circulated as evidence. See the reference in the section you removed. JoshuaZ 02:36, 4 March 2007 (EST)

"The books have even been accused of promoting witchcraft."

Wow, that's pretty deep! --BenjaminS 10:45, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Maybe I was wrong. I hate it when that happens.
I checked the Rowling reference but not the others, my bad.
I'm not quite ready to put it back, though, until I'm convinced it really was influential. The Onion piece appeared in 2000. And Wikipedia's Controversy over Harry Potter article says that "Since 1999, the Harry Potter books have sat atop the American Library Association’s list of most protested books, with some American churches banning the books altogether." So The Onion was clearly satirizing a controversy that was already in full swing. How much influence did the "Dear Christian" email really have in amplifying it?
I won't put it back personally, but I won't revert if anyone else does. I'd still like to see some context to show that it was of much significance. Dpbsmith 10:46, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Witch craft

I added some contribution to this article discussing how it deals with the topic of witches and wizards and communication between magical and non-magical people. Why was it deleted. I know what I wrote about since I have read all the 6 books several times and am eagerly waiting for the 7th :-)

This was what I wrote

I thought it would fit in with the rest of the site ;-). Anyways can anyone tell me why those blue borders appeared and how to remove them.

Looking for God in Harry Potter

I have a book, Looking for God in Harry Potter by John Granger, ISBN: 1414306342, which looks for the hidden meaning in the Harry Potter series. There are many other things in the book that would be helpful in the CP article. I would like to colloborate with someone that could integrate the book with the CP article, without plagiarizing the book. --Crocoite 20:21, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Harry Potter is, first and foremost, about the triumph of good over evil. As to criticisms of the book's take on authority, I was previously unaware that a writer's incoroporation of complexity into adult characters was so frowned upon, and were Nebuchadnezzar and King Darius not authority figures also? --X. Dulks


Cut from criticisms section:

The books have also been accused of promoting witchcraft or wicca.[1] [2] [3] [4]

The first ref I followed mentions the occult nature of the magic in the books, but I fail to see how "Carol" is accusing the books of promoting witchcraft. My understanding (as a Christian educator myself) is that the books are fantasy in the same genre as the Narnia books of C.S. Lewis. --Ed Poor Talk 11:42, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

If you take a look at the recent criticisms added to the Chronicles of Narnia entry, I think you'll see that Narnia is far from innocent and harmless itself. The whole POINT of Harry Potter is to tell a story where witches are heroes. It's hard to imagine how such a twisted perversion can do anything BUT promote witchcraft and the occult. Thousands of pages are spent glorifying people who practice magic, something forbidden by the Word of God.--AlexC 22:30, 30 December 2008 (EST)

How can a book promote something that does not exist? Saying that the Harry Potter novels promote witchcraft is like saying that the Star Wars movies promote intergalactic space-travel. AngusF 17:21, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

In Harry Potter, there is a clearly defined good, a clearly defined evil, and good will ultimately triumph over evil. Those who claim Harry Potter has an underlying satanistic message clearly haven't read the book and aren't interested in the truth. --AaronAdamicz 15:25, 25 December 2009 (EST)
The emphasis on magic is suspicious for many Christians, and other religious people who are aware of the prohibitions against sorcery in the Bible. The idea that spiritual forces are at our command is a dangerous one, what with all those young people who are seduced by the Occult.
The notion that "Satanism is nothing to worry about" isn't a conservative idea, nor a particularly Christian one. It can play into what more than one Christian writer has noted, that one of Satan's greatest achievements has been to deny his own existence. Given his essential craftiness, we should not mistake this strategy for a godly victory.
It would be odd if the world's top bestselling book for children had no flaws whatsoever. Pray don't present the story as immune to criticism. --Ed Poor Talk 13:36, 29 December 2009 (EST)

Heading off a possible edit war

I have noticed recent activity on the Harry Potter page. Whilst I understand that such matters can stir strong opinion, I am also aware that this is a site that builds trustworthy articles through consensus amongst trustworthy contributors. If the current theme of editing continues, then may I suggest that we revert back to the last edit peer-reviewed and cleared by an administrator that was made before all the recent edits, such as the revert made by TK on 13:05, 24 June 2009, or by TerryH on 22:10, 22 June 2009.--DanHutchin 18:45, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

OK I protected it. Note that "conservative Christians" is not a theological category. All of the quoted critics have been Fundamentalists and they seem to be relying on the Old Testament warnings to Jews to avoid pagan witchcraft. The warnings are not repeated in the New Testament.RJJensen 03:33, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
Thanks Mr Jenson, I had a horrible feeling that that kind of edit warring would turn into a large troll-magnet, if it already hadn't.--DanHutchin 13:53, 30 September 2009 (EDT)


I edited the "literary criticism" section which incorrectly criticized the books. Veritaserum is like our polygraph, and thus unreliable as explained in the books and by the author, JK Rowling.

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