Talk:Hawaii

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Anyone with a quibble about discovered, please make your point here first. --Ed Poor Talk 22:25, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Alright - here's my point: There were people living there already - "discovered" implies that it didn't exist until Cook got there, or at least that Cook's appearance legitimised something. Just because Europeans hadn't been there doesn't mean it was "undiscovered." Just because this wiki is conservative, that doesn't mean it needs to be Eurocentric - and thus inaccurate. 23:03, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Okay, your point is that being Eurocentric is bad because it's inaccurate. Discovery implies (in your mind) that the lands were uninhabited? --Ed Poor Talk 23:16, 11 July 2007 (EDT)


Well, yeah - why would we not say that the original inhabitants are the people who "discovered" the place? Unless my command of English is poor, I take the word to imply "first one there." PFoster 23:31, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Although some of PFoster's comments on this matter on Ed's talk page (I think it was) were perhaps a bit too much in the "politically correct" basket, I actually agree with him on this one. Saying that a place with "discovered by so-and-so" does, in my mind, imply that nobody (no human being) knew of it before. I didn't particularly like his altered wording, but how about, "European discovery of the Hawaiian Islands was by Captain James Cook in 1778"? Philip J. Rayment 03:45, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
I agree. Polynesians discovered Hawaii and were its first settlers. Karajou 10:33, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
Okay then, I've changed it. Philip J. Rayment 10:39, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
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