Talk:Hippie

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The second part of this article is clearly someone's personal view of the description of 'hippie', especially the ridiculous last remark about politicians not wanting to grow beards. Clearly the person who wrote this trying to be comical. Priestspez

Nope. Guess again. This time offer your alternative reason why politicians almost never grow beards today.--Aschlafly 00:46, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Humility, so as not to look like Jesus? Or... anti-Christian sentiment, so as not to evoke Christian patriarchs? I want to know your opinion. Mr. Schlafly, did you know that beards were a major symbol in ancient times? I wrote a short article on it.-Phoenix 00:47, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Where is his reason for suggesting it in the first place. I can't understand how this can hold up. Maybe politicans don't have beards because of fashion trends, or because they don't want to have to shave. Michael Savage has a beard - does that make him a hippie? Priestspez 00:45, 14 June 2007 (AUS)

I note that Michael Savage is not a politician, however I am sure he has negative views on hippies. Priestspez 01:13, 14 June 2007 (AUS)


I was taking a glance around the Internet at various pieces of speculation on why politicians generally don't wear a beard. The best two public access articles I found were at Slate, The Hill, and The Tyee (A Canadian news site). Warning: The Canadian news site as of today has minor nudity in an ad on the sidebar. If you are offended by minor nudity then temporarily turn off images in your browser or don't visit the site to begin with.

From what the articles say, facial hair on politicians has gone in and out of fashion quite a few times in history. For instance, Lincoln started up a facial hair trend that lasted for several presidents, but facial hair went out of style again in the early 20th century. It's not at all certain exactly why people tend to prefer beard-less politicians. Hippies do make some appearance in the articles, so I've put in a toned down version of the current sentence. - PostoStudanto 19:24, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

As a beard-wearing man myself I found those articles very interesting (and kinda sad; if I ever run for office I don't want to have to shave off my beard!). Thanks for finding them, PostoStudanto. However, they do not support the claim that politicians don't wear beards because of hippie association. The first article says that beards are ambiguous, they could represent hippies OR communists, Marxists, socialists, technophobes, anarchists, pacifists, untrustworthiness or even trustworthyness (like Abe Lincoln). It is the ambiguity that keeps politicians from wearing the beard. The second article says that it is trustworthiness that keeps politicians clean shaven. The beard hides facial expression and studies have shown that people find pictures of beardless people more trustworthy than those of bearded people. Again, thanks for the articles PS, I found them very interesting. However, if we want to keep that statement in the article we need to find a citation that explitly draw the beard-hippie relationship. Those articles might make nice fodder for a beard article though.... HelpJazz 13:36, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

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It was the capitalistic society in which the hippie was born that gave them financial support. The largesse of their parents and free public handouts helped buoy the idealistic and misguided cultural experiments they attempted. Hippies failed in the end to effect real change since their world view was based on a flawed concept of human nature. They believed that people were willing to live in a lessened state of materialistic ease and were altruistic as opposed to self-interested. This same flaw led to the fall of communism and the failure of all the 1960s communes.

It is largely opinion, is uncited and does not follow the guidelines about attribution. Also, it was added by a user who only made a few edits, and was blocked for vandalism. HelpJazz 18:44, 31 December 2007 (EST)

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