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8 major identical twin studies demonstrate homosexuality is not genetic

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way. http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/identical-twin-studies-prove-homosexuality-is-not-genetic Conservative 05:28, 15 January 2015 (EST)

Cleaning up

There are WAY too many sections and subsections on this page, I'm going to see if I can combine the major information and remove the subsections with little content to make the Table of Contents readable. There are actually sections with two sentences or less right now. That kind of material would be better left in subpages or just referred to in the See also section; perhaps mentioned briefly in another section. I'd like to clean up the page so it is more readable though. --Joshua Zambrano 20:35, 25 January 2015 (EST)

User:Conservative I saw the page was recently protected. If you dislike the edits being made, can you tell me what exactly you disagreed with? By and large I just moved material around to trim unnecessary categories or duplicate sources, and added sections on xenoestrogens and polling.[1] My next edit by the way was going to involve moving the Ex-homosexuals section into the Personal Choice section. Just through categorizing, moving sections with little to no content into other areas, I had reduced the number of total sections from 35 to 16 and was about to reduce it to 15 so that the Table of Contents would be readable. --Joshua Zambrano 23:20, 25 January 2015 (EST)
JZambrano, I admire your zeal. At the same time, at this juncture, I have multiple demands on my time and I am unable work with you on major revisions to this article. And wouldn't be fair to the people I made promises to for me to get involved in such a project. It would cause unnecessary delays which they would not appreciate.
At a future time, perhaps we can revisit this matter. In the meantime, I suggest contacting User:Daniel1212 and perhaps you two could discuss your suggestions as far as improving article. Daniel1212 created a lot of homosexuality related content to Conservapedia. Conservative 23:53, 25 January 2015 (EST)
I notice Daniel hasn't done much editing since 2012 and none since October. Will he be online enough for that? I did leave them a message just in case. --Joshua Zambrano 00:23, 26 January 2015 (EST)
It is going to have to be enough for now. And another person who edits using the User: Conservative account has a demanding job and is now a part-time business owner too. So I know that person cannot help as well. It is a particularly busy time for that person.
Second, you wanted to give a strong emphasis to xenoestrogens in the article and place the material near the very top of the article. I don't foresee such a change happening.
Lastly, I know you want to discuss this matter further right now, but I politely decline to do so given my present commitments. Conservative 01:02, 26 January 2015 (EST)
Alright, I was just curious where the objection lay. I have no problem with moving the xenoestrogen material further down on the page. Were there any other concerns about the proposed edits? --Joshua Zambrano 23:26, 29 January 2015 (EST)

It should be illegal

I am tired of seeing fellow members of my community being converted into homosexuals. The countries of the world should just ban homosexuality and make it a crime so as to prevent younger minds with potential being indoctrinated by this evil. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoaoV (talk)

A user that one of your collective have blocked user:conservative. Why block him then restore his edit after JoeyJ has removed it? Davidspencer 12:05, 1 March 2015 (EST)
Cons, I don't often agree with you, but I must give credit where credit is due. (Ooh! Another idiom article to write! I'm way behind.) You did exactly the right thing in restoring Joao's edits. You of course used the principle that talk pages are ongoing journals of a discussion, and edits are not to be removed unless they are libelous. I don't agree with Joao's comment, but I think it's within the realm of acceptable comments here. By the way, I used to have a coworker generally called John, but his real (Hispanic) given name was Joao.
While I'm heaping praise on you, you recently replied to something underneath a paragraph, by someone else, that had two of the grammatical and stylistic errors that I used to accuse you of.
And now I see that you have unblocked him. Congratulations. Joao will now have the distinction of having been unblocked by the person most hated at RW probably CP's most interesting admin, one who does not often unblock people :-) SamHB 16:37, 1 March 2015 (EST)

JoaoV's response

Thanks for unblocking me. My intention is to use this wiki for educative purposes, I don't want to cause trouble. Concerning homosexuality, I am glad that you are trying to undo it and these articles are very informative. I beg you to forive me though for having a more cynical view of it however as my experiences with homosexuality in my neighbour have been purely negative. See, here is my problem: I have seen good, upstanding neighbours that were previously heterosexual (I do not believe that "I was in denial" myth) and had girlfriends and went to church being converted. We all got along well and even though in my neigbourhood there were differences among various denominations, we never criticized each other. We were all Christian after all. Then one day a number of college-age deviants start going door to door and asking us to answer to bizarre questionaries (at one point I heard one of them ask (and I joke you not) "What's your wildest sex fantasy?". You notice that I previously used the word "converted". Well, you see, most of us either tried to tell them about The Lord when the weird questions started and a few of us didn't bother to answer, but a young male member of our community not only answered them earnestly but actually invited them inside. After that day, everything went downhill in our community as apparently the deviants were there to "inform" our neighbourhood and others about various laws concerning homosexuality and other deviations and how the law protected such degeneracy. It began with the male neighbour (whose name was Joaquim). He began to flaunt that he was "no longer going to lie" and "that he was going true to his self". He, who had been a model citizen and neighbour up to that point, had been successfully converted into the religion of the homosexuals. I do not know what tactics they used or why they did it, but I know that Joaquim was not "born that way". He openly challenged God by behaving like a sodomite and trying to coax others into joining him. As Joaquim was not just a neighbour but my friend I tried to convert him back to the true faith, but my efforts were in vain. I don't know what tactics the deviants used, but my friend had a spiritual death that day. His faith died. The one before us afterwards was just another deviant of the bunch - worse, he had become a missionary of their wicked cult. And what had once been a great neighbourhood suddenly became a den of degeneracy and corruption. A man a few streets below started to wear womens' clothing, a few more started to preach the homosexual lifestyle and a worrying number of adolescents were admitting to "trying things". Those of us who still cling to tradition tried to show them the light but they would not listen - the alure of the flesh was greater to them than the word of The Lord. That day my hope for peace died. I stopped turning the other cheek. I started shunning them and others even condemned them in public. At the very least we managed to keep them away from our homes and children. Others are doing so as well and although our neighbourhood is not the same at least it's purifying itself. The reason I want homosexuality banned is not to persecute homosexuals. It is to prevent good people, like Joaquim, from being corrupted. Every time I recall this story I feel like I have failed myself because Joaquim was a long time friend. Our group of friends had shared with him movies, church goings, sports, and videogames. He had made our lives better by being our friend. But because he couldn't resist temptation - and because he was tempted in the first place - there is now an empty seat whenever we try to make a group activity. This saddens me. What could I have done to convert him back? Is there still hope for him? Doubt started to linger in my heart. "You're not my friends. Friends don't judge their friends." Joaquim said. But he was wrong. If a friend commits a crime and you are called to judge him, God demands that we answer with the truth. We must show mercy and compassion, but we must not lie. Well, thanks for reading my story. I'm sorry to have let it out here, it's just... I wish homosexuality didn't exist. I want our group of friends to be complete as it once was. --JoaoV 23:52, 5 March 2015 (EST)

"Causes of homosexuality"

The section entitled "Causes of homosexuality" does not address its purported topic at all, but merely serves as a brief introduction to several topics to be addressed later in the article. This section (along with most of the rest of the article, IMO) is in need of a serious rewrite. IsabellW 23:19, 13 May 2015 (EDT)