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Bible quote from New Testament insufficient

The Conservapedia page about homosexuality page quotes

Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

but people forget that St. Paul continues in stronger wording

Romans 1:28-31 In other words, since they would not consent to acknowledge God, God abandoned them to their unacceptable thoughts and indecent behaviour. And so now they are steeped in all sorts of injustice, rottenness, greed and malice; full of envy, murder, wrangling, treachery and spite, libellers, slanderers, enemies of God, rude, arrogant and boastful, enterprising in evil, rebellious to parents, without brains, honour, love or pity.

and that St. Paul ends with the strongest wording in the New Testament on homosexuality, the verdict of God on homosexual behaviour:

Romans 1:32 They are well aware of God's ordinance: that those who behave like this deserve to die -- yet they not only do it, but even applaud others who do the same.

(verses are from the New Jerusalem Bible at www.catholic.org) In my opinion however one should also bear in mind that the Bible forbids one to kill, but instructs us to love one another as we love ourselves. But one should keep in mind that God is master of life and death and He is allowed to kill, so we should not be surprised that homosexual behaviour ends up with getting HIV/Aids. Furthermore the people I see before me when reading these harsh verses are the people with homosexual behaviour that want to have nothing to do with God and who actively promote this kind of behaviour, not the people who want to reunite with God and are searching for a way out of their behaviour. But the lesson is that, unlike what many people are thinking, God condemns homosexuality in the New Testament, through the voice of St. Paul, apostle of Jesus Christ, as hard as in the Old Testament. So perhaps the verses Romans 1:28-31, but at least the verse Romans 1:32, can be put into the Conservapedia page on homosexuality? Better be warned in time, than rue it when too late.

There is a discussion on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Homosexuality page on the same comment. Please join to keep the discussion balanced. Jgamleus 01:14, 3 March 2013 (EST)

Gender Correction

Dr. Nadia El-Awady is a female, but the pronouns used to refer to her are male pronouns.

length of article

This article is very long, making it inconvenient to read. Most of the sections here seem to have their own pages. Editing is locked for regular users, so I can't do it, but has there been any discussion condensing the article to make it more reader-friendly? --JHunter 16:25, 26 January 2012 (EST)

I was actually thinking of adding some material: Black pastors confront Southern Poverty Law Center for smearing as ‘hate groups’ pro-family organizations opposed to homosexual agenda. [1] Reverend Dr. Patrick Wooden declared that it is wrong to compare “my beautiful blackness” with homosexual perversion.Conservative 18:41, 26 January 2012 (EST)
I fail to see how that, or much of this article for that matter, is pertinent to an explanation of the general concept of homosexuality. Reading through an article with 29 sections of text is just laborious. Especially when most of the sections appear to already have their own articles. This is one of the flagship articles here, making it so over the top that newcomers are discouraged from reading it might be counterproductive to the cause. --JHunter 23:23, 26 January 2012 (EST)
Why don't you write an alternative article and see if the owner of the site likes it better? Show Conservapedia how it's done. I wish you the best should you decide to pursue this endeavor. Conservative 23:51, 26 January 2012 (EST)
I'll take that bet. --JHunter 00:06, 27 January 2012 (EST)
Can you show us outstanding well researched works you have composed already? If so, where are they? Conservative 00:41, 27 January 2012 (EST)
In journals you've never heard of and books you'll never read. More seriously, you have offered a friendly competition. It is audacious, but I accept your challenge. Out of sportsmanship, we should let the articles speak for themselves instead of starting an argument on the talk page. --JHunter 01:44, 27 January 2012 (EST)

I regret that so-called "conservatives" (as meaningless a term as "liberals") have been so easily fooled by the whole "homosex-/gay" fraud of degenerate fascist propaganda that enslaves not just the lawless fascist lamestream media and Demo-nazi ringleaders but most of the world as well (sadly including most if not all Bible translations since the 19th century who have perverted the true meaning of arsenokoitai by grossly mistranslating it as "homosexual" which is a bogus word of the aforementioned degenerate fascist propaganda machine that didn't exist much before the 18th century, almost nineteen centuries after Jesus) that is well-refuted and exposed as a propaganda fraud by "The gay invention" at http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f Also relevant is Dr. Reisman's exposing of the vile fascist child-molesting degenerate Alfred Kinsey at www.DrJudithReisman.org showing how Kinsey has almost single-handedly (with much help from Indiana University) decimated America's morals jurisprudence by deceiving gullible politicians and judges over the past decades. Sadly all one must do is repeat lies often and long enough and fools will believe anything. User:RusseDav 09:52, 03 March 2012 (EST)

Pediatricians Renew Call for HPV Vaccine for Boys

  • The HPV vaccine has been available and recommended for girls and young women since 2006, because it's highly effective at preventing cervical cancer. Since then, other cancers thought to be caused by HPV have increased, including anal cancer and some head and neck cancers....If we include both girls and boys, we could have a potential impact on HPV transmission. [2]

Question: if homosexuality is genetic, and not a choice, why would all boys need to be vaccinated? Rob Smith 08:06, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Answer because HPV can be transmitted by heterosexual sex as well. Did you really need to ask that question? Davidspencer 09:46, 28 February 2012 (EST)
Homosexuality is a choice and it is a bad choice. See: Homosexuality and choice Conservative 13:05, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

Bible Quotes

I have noticed that this page has quotations of verse from multiple forms of the Bible, including the King James, New American Standard, and New International Bibles. Should we not stick to one single version, so as to preserve the validity of our quotations of scripture? TheV 08:37, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

Which is the correct version?

Homosexuality and human rights

I suggest to add section with above name on recent ruling of European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg. The interesting text reads like this:

"The Strasbourg ruling won praise from campaigners against same-sex marriage. ...

Norman Wells, of the Family Education Trust, said: ‘For too long campaigners have been using the language of rights in an attempt to add moral force to what are nothing more than personal desires. ‘In many cases they have bypassed the democratic process and succeeded in imposing their views on the rest of the population by force of law. ‘We are seeing the same principle at work in the Government’s sham of a consultation on same-sex marriage.’He added: ‘The ruling from the ECHR will embolden those whose concerns about same-sex marriage and adoption are not inspired by personal hatred and animosity, but by a genuine concern for the well-being of children and the welfare of society. ‘Instead of rushing to legislate without seriously considering the views of the electorate, the Government should be encouraging a measured public debate on the nature and meaning of marriage.’"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117920/Gay-marriage-human-right-European-ruling-torpedoes-Coalition-stance.html#ixzz1urjB46xx

Gay marriage is not a 'human right': European ruling torpedoes Coalition stance Read more

--AK 16:04, 17 May 2012 (EDT)

AK, the article is about 50 pages long right now. I would suggest creating a separate article that could be linked to from the main article. Here is where you could start creating the article: Homosexuality and human rights. Conservative 06:32, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

Opinions?

I'm wondering if some of the content is too much based on opinions, such as the opinion that 'homosexuality' rather than homosexual acts are what is condemned by the Bible. I am very conservative and I found some of the content rather inflammatory, rather than objective. But that's just my impression of it, and I am new to Conservapedia. --Nissalovescats 10:16, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

It is worrying that there are a lot of statements without any references that are drawing absolute conclusions. These need to be backed up otherwise this is opinion and not fact.

What are your thoughts about the Homosexuality and health information? Also, what are your thoughts about the information in the Homosexuality and murders and Homosexuality and obesity articles? Conservative 11:09, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

homosexulality and religion:

it is a proven fact that jesus christ never spoke against homosexuality. in fact, jesus himself in all records of his life never once condoned those of different beliefs. hundreds of years after the death of christ, passages pertaining to the diminishment of the rights of women, the reasons for hatred against those of other or no religious beliefs, and the lessons that homosexuality is unnatural were added by people like Constantine and king James. if you feel you are a "true christian," then listen to the words of your lord savior, not a roman emperor who wasn't even born a christian.

Whoever posted this (when i know not) was unsurprisingly anonymous, as it is clearly an absurd polemic. Not is this "red letter" hermeneutic that restricts Biblical moral teaching to only what Jesus said in the gospels invalid, but so it the argument from silence that it relies on.
The Lord did not personally write any Scripture down, and the gospel of John promises more revelation from Jesus, (Jn. 16:12-15) and the same Holy Spirit that inspired the writers who wrote the Lord's words also inspired the O.t., which Jesus quoted as well as the rest of the writings which were because manifest as Scripture. And the fact is homosexual relations are only condemned wherever they are dealt with and are nowhere sanctioned, despite the laborious attempts by pro homosexual polemicists to force sex into passages it does not belong in. See Homosexuality and biblical interpretation
Moreover, restricting morality to what Jesus specifically addressed would also allow pedophilia, bestiality and other things.
Moreover, the Lord did condemn homosexual relations by specifying that what God sexually joined together was male and female, (Mt. 19:4-6) leaving all other sexual relations as fornication, and which He condemned. (Mk. 7:21-23)
God made man and women uniquely compatible and complimentary, in more ways than the physical aspect, and only joined them in marriage, which Jesus Himself specified. (Gn. 2:18-24; Mt. 19:4-6) Homosexual unions are only condemned by God in the Scriptures by design and decree, in principle and in precept.
It is because of this that pro homosexual polemicists engage in sophistry in trying to negate the injunctions against homosexual relations and find sanction for the same, and the hermeneutics they must use would also negate any moral law, and the authority of the Scripture themselves.
However, some of the first Christians were likely former homosexuals, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and there is room at the cross for all who want the Lord Jesus over sin, and believe upon Him to save them who died for them, and rose again. And who thus are baptized and follow Him, to the glory of God. Daniel1212 21:21, 6 December 2012 (EST)

New pertinent story

Is the strong cultural focus on sex as a reproductive tool the reason masturbation and homosexual practices seem to be virtually unknown among the Aka and Ngandu? That isn't clear. But the Hewletts did find that their informants -- whom they knew well from years of field work -- "were not aware of these practices, did not have terms for them," and, in the case of the Aka, had a hard time even understanding about what the researchers were asking when they asked about homosexual behaviors.

"Homosexuality and masturbation are rare or nonexistent [in these two cultures], not because they are frowned upon or punished, but because they are not part of the cultural models of sexuality in either ethnic group." http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/

And note that pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness (Ezek. 16:49) was concomitant with Sodom which was given to fornication, including that of the most perverse sort. (Ezek. 16:50; Jude 1:7) Daniel1212 21:32, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Daniel1212, thanks. I can incorporate this into the article in 2013 or request that you be made a sysop. Conservative 02:53, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Daniel1212, I added your material to the article. Conservative 17:31, 29 December 2012 (EST)

Why?

Why is "Conservative" so obsessed with homosexuality? BryanF 23:10, 28 December 2012 (EST)

Am I? The burden of proof is always upon the claimant.Conservative 02:48, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Look at the number of articles on the topic you have authored. BryanF 09:52, 29 December 2012 (EST)
How many are there and when was the last one created? Conservative 14:04, 29 December 2012 (EST)
You can't count? BryanF 14:07, 29 December 2012 (EST)
By the way, which article you like better? Gay bowel syndrome or Homosexuality and MRSA? Conservative 14:08, 29 December 2012 (EST)
I see you still haven't made your case. Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit. Conservative 14:16, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Adversus solem ne loquitor. BryanF 17:31, 29 December 2012 (EST)

BryanF,

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Have you heard of Conservapedia obsessive compulsive disorder. I think you may have it. [trolling removed]Conservative 05:59, 30 December 2012 (EST)

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