Talk:Israel

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I was trying to fine tune this entry but I think I ruined it

The entry on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict seems very one sided...

I see that you are guilty of doing exactly what you complain about on Wikipedia.

I edited this entry adding factual and easily verifiable information and someone came along and deleted the entire thing, claiming that my edits were not true.

I would like to know what was not true about the facts I listed. Every single thing I wrote is easily verified.

The article is just a long list of war-related grievances. None of it has a source, and most of it is false. If you want to write an article on the conflict between Israel and its neighbors, then it would have to have verifiable info. This is an article on Israel, and should describe Israel.
Almost everything is false. The deleted portion starts with "In 1948, it once again became a sovereign nation largely due to terrorist tactics". Not true. Israel became a sovereign nation as a result of a UN action. RSchlafly 13:08, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
... but would almost certainly not have been handed over to the UN if groups such as Haganah, the Stern gang, and Irgun had not carried out terrorist attacks against the British; the King David hotel bombing, which was the most obvious example, killed 91 people - I would call that terrorist tactics. Wikinterpreter
Israelis say that the King David hotel was a military target in a war of independence. If so, it was not terrorist. RSchlafly 16:45, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Be mindful of your train of logic. If I blew up a children's hospital, then turned around and said "it was a military target," then by your reasoning no one should ever claim that I did a horrible and evil thing such as, well, blowing up a children's hospital... Jros83 23:20, 22 June 2007 (EDT)*
But almost all bombers say that they are attacking complicit targets in wars of independence. Wikinterpreter
No, terrorist bombers target civilians, such as random people on a public bus. RSchlafly 15:29, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
But they say that the civilians are complicit. Anyway, of the 91 people killed, only 28 were British: 41 were Arabs, 17 were Jews, and 5 haven't been identified. They would seem like civilians. Wikinterpreter
  • There we go with another deceit, written as if it is fact. The land was never, not ever, their home, so it cannot be a "war of independence", but more truthfully called a "war of theft", simply terrorism. --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 03:29, 25 June 2007 (EDT)

Contents

The map

The map is not accurate, since it shows the Jewish parts of East-Jerusalem and the West-Bank are not in Israel. It also shows not the Golan Heights. Some of the territory are disputed, but not Golan Heights or East-Jerusalem, these are annexed many years ago to Israel. I dont know should the map show Oslo "Area B" or "Area C" which are run now by "Palestinian" authority, but probably it should show Area "A", and aboslutely show East-Jerusalem and Golan in Israel.

Étienne Léger

GDP

The GDP figures are confusing. The article discusses a GDP per capita of 17K+ in 2005, but yet it is 26K+ in 2006. This would appear to be inconsistent. For the record, the CIA factbook would seem to support the higher number. Learn together 15:53, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Biblical Israel

Do we need a page on the Biblical Israel and the Upper/Lower kingdom history? --MHayes 19:49, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Citation Needed?

I've noticed that there's a lot of text and only 3 sources on this article. I'm not doubting the truthfulness, but we should probably get some sources. --Kody 11:35, 7 February 2011 (EST)

If you'll look at the bottom of the article you'll see the "U.S. Govt" tag and the source for the material, which is the State Department. This material is temporary only; it serves as a guide as to the layout, detail, and structure of the article. But, should new information become available, you are welcome to change it and/or make corrections. Karajou 16:26, 7 February 2011 (EST)
Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me. --Kody 17:17, 8 February 2011 (EST)

Non-illegal "occupation"

Parzival wrote "The territories of the Gaza Strip and West Bank are claimed by organizations representing the State of Palestine and Palestinian National Authority - these territories are illegally occupied by Israel."

First, these territories were conquered in an act of war - the Six Day War - and are a legitimate prize of war. Second, surrounding Arab countries and peoples have been openly hostile to the Jewish State ever since the Balfour Declaration of 1917, long before Israel was reestablished in 1948. Third and most important, the Jews have a right to their homeland, up to and including living within its original borders as set forth in the Bible. This website is not going to call it an "illegal occupation". Karajou 16:32, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

I agree, the occupation is not illegal. Neither are the settlements. However, they are both commonly called illegal, and perhaps the article should explain the issues. RSchlafly 16:57, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
RSchlafly recognises that both points of view need mentioning (and there's also a strong that the occupation is illegal). I've dropped mention of "illegal", but added that control is disputed. Parzival 18:47, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
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