- Huckabee says in the article "Not defending his statements." So, just because the liberal media titled the story Huckabee defends Obama and Wright, doesn't make it true. It needs stripped out. I am not of authority to do so.--jp 15:28, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
- Is there a source for the Nation of Islam claim? I can't find one. KPickering 09:25, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
- I don't have time to do a highly credible source this morning, but here is one instance http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2008/03/black-liberation-theology.html
- A random guy's blog. *sigh* Why am I not surprised? KPickering 09:58, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
So if we're going to post Obama-Wright photos on the page and play up their past relationship despite Obama's disavowal and repudiation of Wright, we should be even-handed. Let's show John McCain with Rev. Hagee, despite McCain having disavowed him (after first taking his endorsement and then having to backtrrack because of the outcry). I don't expect that kind of fairness here, though, hen the Obama-Ayers connection is played up by the McCain-Keating one ignored. --DinsdaleP 09:52, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
- Tiresome logic, it is Conservapedia against the world. CP can do no right ever.--Jpatt 09:56, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
- Jpatt, it's not about "CP against the world", it's about getting the facts right and being trustworthy. This is a conservative encyclopedia, not a neutral one, so people like me aren't looking to invalidate the conservative POV, we're trying to improve the credibility of the site constructively. I'm also a firm believer that the conservative POV has a lot more credibility when it doesn't rely on double-standards to make it seem like some things don't go one with conservatives as well as liberals. (McCain has repudiated and disconnected himself with people like Hagee and Keating, and we accept that by no longer associating them in the current sense. Why can't we show the character the conservative POV is supposed to represent by extending the same consideration to Obama when he repudiates Wright or the past actions of Ayers? My grandfather told me that I'd never regret taking the high road no matter how tempting or even acceptable it might be to do otherwise, and his advice has served me well for over 40 years.
- I'd suggest that more people on CP try to edit with the undecided reader in mind, not the true-believers who don't need more convincing. Being fair, being respectful, and sticking to facts with credible sources instead of posting speculation and expecting others to find the supporting evidence is going to win a lot more people over to the conservative POV than the approaches used in too many articles here. --DinsdaleP 10:57, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
Might I respectfully say that throwing a picture of Hitler next to everyone from Darwin to Wright is a tad disrespectful to those who suffered under Nazism? Wright's a loudmouth, but that's where the similarities end. I don't recall Wright sending millions to the ovens.CraigC 22:30, 5 November 2008 (EST)
That picture with Obama is just scary!
Even if all that Obama says is honestly true and he was really so naive about Wright's character and message that he was just being a dumb dupe, then I'm scared that Obama will form some weird bond with the likes of Ali Khamenei or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
I would like to note that the full context of these statements is far less damning than the excerpts frequently provided. The HIV one, I'll concede, is pretty dumb. --CamilleT 23:27, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
- Well, yes. What is interesting is, while most African-American churches & preachers take an outspoken position and stand against homosexuality which is more, "intolerant", if you will, then the American electorate as a whole, Dr. Wright's church seems to be more extreme than most African-American liberal Christians. But among rationalists and atheists, many believe any form of religious, if not Christian, belief, is extreme, if not irrational and foolish. It's amusing to hear atheists brag and defend Obama's professed brand of religious belief. Rob Smith 23:42, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
- I'll defend anyone if I believe they're being unfairly attacked. In this case, Wright expressed views that were not at all unorthodox on the American left. The "chicken coming home to roost" quote comes from a far more reasonable sounding speech, too:
We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye... and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.
Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.