Talk:Joseph Biden

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Banning?

I'm a little upset about all this banning on conservapedia articles. I started and wrote this entire article and am now not allowed to extend it and make it more informative because of all this banning. Chippeterson

No banning has taken place. Rather, the senior sysops have protected all pages for Presidential candidates, so that only sysops may edit them. We have done this for reasons of security. The Talk pages (like this one) remain unprotected--so that if you have a suggestion for extension of this or any article, use the corresponding Talk page.--TerryHTalk 20:21, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

We need to change the word "proponent" to something like "strongly against." In the part of the article were it talks about Joe Biden's position on gun control. Chippeterson

Why would we need to do that?Samwell 21:23, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Because it says "Biden is a strong proponent of 2nd-amendment rights. He was rated F by the National Rifle Association." "proponent" means that you support something. Joe Biden is against the right to bear arms. Chippeterson

Opponent should work then. Samwell 21:36, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
Thats a pretty big difference! Thanks for catching it, it has been corrected. Bohdan 00:29, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Jill Biden not a professor

I just changed the word "professor" to "instructor" for Jill Biden, based on this list from her campus:
http://www.dtcc.edu/catalog/pdf/personnel.pdf
. Who does she think she is, Barack Obama? In any case, someone should probably archive that .pdf document before it gets removed from the web site. --AdmiralNelson 13:48, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Is Biden REALLY an adjunct professor?

Not sure if he really is a professor. This may be just like Obama claiming to be a "professor." In any case, we should probably expand that section to clarify that the current title he uses, adjunct professor, is little more than a "Monopoly money" title given to non-tenure track hired guns who don't even have to have valid academic credentials or degrees to teach a class. Most adjunct professors that I know, except in technical and scientific fields where they actually have to know something concrete, are pretty awful. Those in education, the social sciences, humanities, criminal justice, and social work are particularly bad. Those teaching math, computer science, biology, chemistry, etc. tend to be pretty good. You can't fake chemistry, but you can fake "social work" and those other fields. --AdmiralNelson 13:58, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

I want to point out that most adjuncts are hired primarily to save money (they are cheaper than full-time faculty), rather than as good instructors. Some are good instructors, but the focus is, first and foremost, cheap labor. Nothing wrong with cheap labor, but it should be pointed out ESPECIALLY here. Yet another reason to be suspicious of Government funded education and educators. --AdmiralNelson 14:01, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Fun With Names

Obama & Biden or is it Osama Bin Laden?-- 50 star flag.png jp 16:04, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

That's funny. Thanks for the humor.--Aschlafly 16:24, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Are you kidding me..? It was juvenile and contrived at best. Jros83 13:18, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
Juvenile? That takes an AMAZING amount of brain power to scramble letters like that. Rkstiner 20:02, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Plagiarist

He's a plagiarist because he plagiarised - inter alia - the speech of Neil Kinnock (re. his being the first Biden in X generations to attend university, etc etc). This is very well established (and documented on Conservapedia), and an equally well established blot on Biden's escutcheon. Why therefore are you deleting it? The man lied, full stop. Bugler 17:35, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

I agree with Bugler. I don't think there is any doubt about Biden's plagiarism.--Aschlafly 17:37, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Section Shuffle Suggestion

I would move the "Controversial comments" section down (or up, if there is major resistance). In its current place (between the Senate section and the Campaign sections), it looks very out of place. --DirkB 17:35, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

wikipedia controversey?

i just wanted to point out that the section on Joseph Biden was never removed, just relocated http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joe_Biden&diff=233713896&oldid=233713863 is the edit where it was moved... i didn't want to try editing the main page because I'm a new user and i didn't feel it was my place, but it's clear to see that since Biden never ran in 2004 they wouldn't place information like that in a 2004 section, but a general section relating to information such as his suggestion for Kerry to take on McCain as a running mate. oh, also i didn't know where else to post this, that's why i entered it in his talk page. if it's in the wrong place please let me know and i can move it --Qprime

See here for discussion concerning the "controversy" (and its headline on the main page.) --Jareddr 17:56, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

I agree with Qprime, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have section for Joe Biden entitled "2004 Presidential Campaign" when he didn't have a 2004 Presidential campaign. Chippeterson 25 August 2008

Sorry, but I have to side with Tom Blumer of NewsBusters. The section describes Biden's involvement in the general 2004 Presidential campaign and the fact that he definitely considered running (but changed his mind due to timing issues). He was notable enough for CNN to list him on the page I cited, so I think the section is justified. There is no reason to hide Biden's endorsement of McCain as Kerry's running mate at the end of the Senate section. --DirkB 18:49, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
i'm just saying 'presidential campaign' implies his own campaign, on the wikipedia page they moved it to a 'general presidential campaign' section, i found it 5 seconds after i went there by looking with Ctrl-F it's not really hidden. now i'm as much against wiki bias as anyone else here, but in this situation it looks like more of a misunderstanding than anything else.--Qprime

Controversial?

What is controversial about the comment regarding offshore drilling? Why is the word rape bolded? That is a completely appropriate use of the word as in "rape and pillage". ClarkeD 21:01, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Grammar

(At Syracuse Law School, he had plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. Although he was permitted to retake the course after receiving an F.) The grammar of this sentence is incorrect. After reading the source, I changed it to: (He has admitted that in his first year at Syracuse Law School, he plagiarized a law review article; he was permitted to retake the course after receiving an F.)[1] I don't mind if anyone wants to change the content, or come up with a better way to write the section, but please use proper grammar! --Hsmom 15:41, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Archmere Tuition

Why does the current tuition at Archmere, where Biden attended over 40 years ago, need to be anything more than a footnote to this article? Do we know that the tuition today is similar (given inflation) to the tuition when he attended? No, in fact one could argue that, like with most Catholic schools, the tuition today is significantly higher today because more classes are taught by lay teachers. Do we know that Biden (or his family) even paid full tuition? No, in fact many families in Wilmington attend private school with significant tuition assistance. Without knowing the facts, we don't know whether this is the story of a rich boy going to an expensive private school because his parents could well afford it, or a not-so-rich boy given an opportunity to go to an affordable private school because of financial aid. I have no idea which is the real story, or if it's something different. Until we find enough information to put Archmere's current tuition in some kind of context related to Biden's attendance, I think it needs to remain a footnote. The fact that it is a private, Catholic, college-preparatory school should say enough. --Hsmom 15:58, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Noting the tuition as it currently exists shows the standard of that school for today and leaves it to the reader to determine what may have held true in the past. Generally speaking, most schools keep comparable standards over time. If there was a scholarship, his website would proudly provide that information would they not? Or have you noticed a tendency towards them being modest for Joe's accomplishments? Leaving the summer job part without also including current tuition levels could make it sound as if he paid for it himself, which would appear to be unlikely, although we do not state one way or the other. Giving more complete information, while not stating what occurred, can allow the reader to draw his own conclusions on how viable this may have been. Learn together 16:53, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
There are two kinds of scholarship, merit-based and need-based. Merit-based scholarships would be the kind that would be proudly advertised. Need-based scholarships are usually kept more confidential, so as not to embarrass the student or their family, and so that fellow students do not know who is receiving need-based aid and who is not. In addition, teen-aged high school students are not always aware of the details of their parents' financial arrangements with the school. I would be very surprised if anyone in public office would bother to list on their web site the details of need-based aid they received 40 years previously for high school. College-prep high schools often offer substantial need-based aid in an effort to have a more socio-economically diverse student body. We have no idea what Biden was charged for tuition 40 years ago.
If you feel strongly that the tuition should be mentioned in the body of the article, do you feel we should also list the tuition of the University of Delaware, Syracuse University College of Law, and perhaps even Widener and Del Tech? --Hsmom 22:16, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Biden has been touting his blue collar roots for over 2 decades - the crux of his plagarized speech in 2008. A financial needs scholarship would be the perfect addition to his story. We are not going to assume a sudden ongoing bashfulness on his part in that area. Further education when one is an adult doesn't carry the same meaning as childhood dependence. Trying to equate costs for college as an ongoing part of that story, or to water down the aspect of parents paying for a private school for their son, would not be a beneficial contribution to the article. Learn together 14:37, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
Furthermore, his "admitting" his plagarism ignores the fact he did so only after he was caught and had no other choice. One can not accidentally copy enmasse a work from another person and not have it be understood to be plagarism. Learn together 16:56, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
As I said above, I have no opinion as to the content of the plagiarism sentences. But one of them isn't even a proper sentence, and the other is poorly written. If you don't like my version, that's OK with me; it was just an attempt to correct the grammar, not to change the content. But could you pretty please fix it to be grammatically correct? Thanks. --Hsmom 22:16, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I want to put this in the article

but don't know if I should or what section to put it in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ. Chippeterson September 22 2008

It's a little... National Enquirey. HelpJazz 23:51, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

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