Talk:Karl Dönitz

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Flensburg Government

I'd like to add more info to this page. Flensburg Government, President etc. Hannibal ad portas 02:10, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Could we also fix the typo on his name in the first line.Dönitz or Doenitz is acceptable. Hannibal ad portas 02:13, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
I will unlock it for you because I think that the user who is the reaon why it is protected is now gone. Enjoy.Богдан Talk 02:17, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
Дякую Hannibal ad portas 02:32, 30 May 2007 (EDT)


Dönitz was President not Chancellor [1] [2]. I've also left out the other wiki links. Unless someone wants to create articles for the people linked, too many red links look unprofessional. Hannibal ad portas 21:06, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Rob can you offer any outside information to prove that Dönitz was chancellor not president? By doing a google search I come up with president. I'm about to go to the University of Adelaide library to obtain some hard copy references. The reference to president also occurs on W/P and other web pages. Most of whom are quite respectable. [3][4][5][6]. Hannibal ad portas 22:20, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

I was only speaking from memory. Now that you mention it, yes I believe Goebbels was Chancellor, at least of a few days. RobS 22:56, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

not recognized

  • The Flensburg Government headed by Dönitz was not recognized by the Allied Powers and he was arrested
If this is true, why then did the Western allies recognize the formal surrender he signed? this question must addressed. RobS 11:10, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I think you could expand the article out a lot around this one area. How much time do you have? How important is this article to C/P? Hannibal ad portas 12:03, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
Well, we need that one particular phrase either supported with evidence and an explanation how Doentiz is accredited with forging the German surrender, or it deleted. RobS 12:11, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

I think all the citations I gave does that. It is a well known and undisputed fact. Published in every main stream historic reference regarding that period. Just spend a few minutes and read through the citations. If you don't speak German I am happy to translate. The Allies were happy to accept the surrender of the Germans facilitated by the Flensburg Government (Dönitz also became the head of the military by taking on the post of Reichspresident). What the allies did was to decide not to recognise the Government of Dönitz, not the actions it took to end the last few weeks of the war. [7] Hannibal ad portas 19:10, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Then you must articulate that in the article. As is, is misleading. RobS 20:35, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm not sure where you are heading with your interest in this article. As such it is a well worded and concise summary of Karl Dönitz. Your knowledge of this area seems to be eclipsed by your great interest. Why don't you spend some of your time and look up references for the article and expand it in an appropriate manner. There are many areas of the article that could be increased to give a greater understanding of the role Dönitz played at the end of the war. If you wish to alter the article give your reasons clearly and concisely and please use citations. BTW Goebbels did not make it to the position of Chancellor, he committed suicide. Hannibal ad portas 21:23, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Here we go again. The Americans and the British accepted the surrender of the Germans[8]. The term Allies is more descriptive as allows you to not go into the detail of the surrender. After all this is mainly about Dönitz, not the mechanism of the surrender. Hannibal ad portas 22:40, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
  • So where is your citation for the use of the word controversial? The surrender authorized by Dönitz was also accepted in Berlin on the 8th May 1945. Hannibal ad portas 22:45, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
  • arrested by the British and tried as a war criminal
You have an ambiguity here, it sounds as if the British tried Doentiz as a war criminal, which is not the case. RobS 22:56, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Rob with a degree of respect. Go fix the article yourself. Use whatever personal bias you seem to have towards this whole thing. I give up on conservapedia. You don't want people like me here. You just want to have a personal playground. This whole project is sliding into the abyss of irrelevance. Hannibal ad portas 23:11, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Look, Doenitz is a minor figure. It's not hard to do. I'll just take the reference to the British arresting him out. if you wish to fix it later, fine. RobS 23:26, 31 May 2007 (EDT)