Talk:Nazi Germany and homosexuality

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There are already articles about Nazism and homosexuality: Here and here.--JoeyJ 08:14, 8 March 2014 (EST)

  • I think we should put together those articles.--JoeyJ 05:49, 9 March 2014 (EDT)
  • Shouldn't the article mention that Hitler murdered Röhm, along with the other SA leaders? This makes it sound like they were butt buddies. Hitler was steady with Eva Braun. PeterKa 08:37, 8 March 2014 (EST)

I read the links now, but I didn’t see any suggestion that Hitler and Röhm were gay lovers. Röhm was a founder of the Nazi party. Since he joined before Hitler, he could consider himself an equal. Perhaps Hitler did things during his wild youth in Vienna that he was ashamed of. In the 1934 purge, he killed everyone in a position to blackmail him. Hitler and Braun met in 1930. So his homosexual phase, if that’s what it was, was in the past by that time. He went to a lot of trouble to keep the relationship with Braun secret. He wanted the world to think he was married only to Germany. It’s not like she was a beard. PeterKa 07:39, 9 March 2014 (EDT)

JoeyJ, thanks! Feel free to combine/merge things. I think the work The Pink Swastika may have overreached. It's better to use scholarly caution. Conservative 10:37, 9 March 2014 (EDT)
Peterka, the evidence would suggest that Hitler may have engaged in bisexuality/homosexuality during a period or periods of his life and then was perhaps asexual during part or all of this life. He may have engaged in homosexuality for money when he was a starving artist. A high percentage of ex-lovers committed/attempted suicide too. He may have been heterosexual during part of all of his life. When you are dealing with someone as abnormal/evil/secretive as Hitler, you really cannot be dogmatic as far as his sexuality. Given how he treated people and the type of people he associated himself with, you have to highly question some of the testimony of various people too. Conservative 10:37, 9 March 2014 (EDT)
So...the suggestion that Hitler and Röhm were gay lovers is intentional and you want to keep it in? This article does a pretty good job of debunking Machtan's Hitler-as-gay theory. PeterKa 01:46, 11 March 2014 (EDT)
I prefer to let people see the various pieces of evidence offered in those articles and let them form their own conclusions (I did not add the Pink Swastika source in the article and indicated that I preferred it not be used. I haven't read the Pink Swastika book and given my current and foreseeable priorities, I doubt I will ever read this book). I don't think there is conclusive evidence for the various theories relating to Hitler's sexuality and a fair degree of murkiness. Plus, people's sexual behavior can change over time.
Historical claims/theories are probabilistic (like from 0 to 100 percent) and people assign different probabilities due to their being some subjectivity involved. Historians should use consistent/logical rules/principles for weighing evidence and endeavor to have history live up to being a social science, yet the various probabilities that historians posit for their historical claims have an element of subjectivity. Of course, I think layman should be reasonable too in terms of their claims about history. Conservative 04:09, 11 March 2014 (EDT)