Some neoconservatives also call themselves "paleo-liberals". Jaques 05:17, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
Besides Michael Bloomberg, Ronald Reagan, Phil Gramm, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, and many others, were also members of the Democratic Party before they became Republicans.Needleman 18:37, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
I have a problem here which arose in one biographical article about a Canadian-Finnish neo-conservative. Based on the written material, this person promotes a neo-conservativism based on Classicial (European) Conservativism. When I compare with this existing article, I note that this European variant is more socially conservative and less "revolutionary". Njalsson of my article has written that he is "allergic the idea of revolutions in general, either right wing or left wing" and in many questions which religious conservatives of the US take immediate stances on, he says "it depends, let's look at the facts and at both sides of the case".
So it appears that there may be a major difference between European and American Neo-conservativism in both origin and the fact that they are based upon very different "conservativisms". Should we create two categories or branches of Neo-conservativism? --ExFin 22:11, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
I'm genuinely confused
I'm not sure I understand the difference between a neocon and a conservative. Bush is supposed to be a neocon, but I don't think he was ever a liberal. Also, the current administration is in no way atheistic (see stem cells and faith-based initiatives) nor is it socially libertarian (abortion, same-sex marraige, and the Patriot Act). Does the definition of neocon need work, or am I wrong in thinking Bush is a neocon? HelpJazz 11:55, 7 February 2008 (EST)
You are right, this article is a mess. The Bush administration was ran by neoconservatives.--Walker 23:31, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
Neocons on Social Conservativism
For the record, and I don't think this was on purpose, neoconservative social views stem largely from the work of Strauss and his students, and are a form of secular based social conservativism. I happen to be a neocon so I know.--jfraatz
Neocons and George W. Bush
Neocons dominated only George W. Bush's foreign policy, and only after 9/11. They did not support his winning of the primary in 2000 and no influence over his all-important nominations to the U.S. Supreme Court.--Andy Schlafly 01:07, 26 April 2010 (EDT)
Bush was a neocon. It's hard to say they didn't dominate his presidency if he himself was one. This article just seems to convey a poor understanding of neoconservatism.
- No, you're not correct. I encourage you to read more here with an open mind. The Neocons preferred McCain over Bush in 2000, and the neocons struck out when Bush made his nominations to the Supreme Court.--Andy Schlafly 13:40, 26 April 2010 (EDT)
- True that McCain was more of a Neocon than Bush but the Paleocons supported Pat Buchanan.Benny1986 20:59, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
I question the inclusion of Daniel Pipes on the list of neocons. Here he is in April 2003 arguing against nations-building and the view that Iraq is ready for democracy  and again in Oct 2003 against occupation . In both cases he is pushing the administration to reduce nations-building ambitions and get out. I suspect that Pipes is labeled a neocon by leftists for the same reason many others were -- "guilt by association." JasonNYC 08:27, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
It says Alan Keyes was a student of Strauss, but he really doesn't fit the neocon mold, he is very strong especially on social issues. Benny1986 20:31, 2 June 2013 (EDT)
Something critically wrong with this article
Or atleast as I believe. Neo-conservatism is indeed conservatism, just not the mainstream movement. I'm not comparing Conservatives to Nazis, but Neo-Nazism is indeed a branch of Nazism; it's just an offshoot. Maybe the page could be edited accordingly? Whiterose (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
- It may be considered a form of conservatism, but people's perceptions of it as conservatism does not make it conservatism. I think our article Conservative accurately describes what conservatism is (or at least what it should be). Neoconservatism does not agree with or does not feel strongly on many conservative principles. I think one could accurately call it "big government conservatism" or "perverted conservatism." A form of conservatism, but not truly conservative. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:59, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
- Neocons have nothing in common with traditional social or economic conservatives, other than support for defense spending. They are exclusively concerned with national security. They represented a break with the traditional commie-dominated peaceniks of the Democratic party. With the rise of Clintonism and the Obama administrations complete subversion of the Deep State to serve globalist interests, many have returned home to the Democratic party. They don't have a new label yet, other than "Patriotic Democrats".
- It's a waste of time to even try and fit this group in with either party's traditional social & economic positions, other than support for military industrial complex. They're not really even a voting block, and, no one considers them as such. They are for the most part a group of foreign policy experts. At one time they were considered non-partisan, but they've aroused so much opposition in both parties, they weigh on media allies more and more to fight back. They don't amount to more than a few thousand at best, and they idea of making a voting constituency of them is ludicrous. RobSThe coup plotters are going down 22:23, 22 April 2017 (EDT)