Talk:Netherlands

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This article ignores such things as the Dutch Master painters, the Dutch exploration of the Americas, and the Tulipmania. In fact the article serves only to set up the very biased last paragraph.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tpleighton (talk)

So change it? Tsumetai 07:48, 20 March 2007 (EDT)


"Fiesten op Dijk"? What do you mean, fiesten is not a Dutch word as far as I know. Maybe you meant "fietsen" or "feesten"?

Middle Man

The line about the "gay gang" is incorrect. I am Dutch and have followed the issue closely. The word "gay gang" has not been in the Dutch press (not even in conservative and Christian papers). In fact one gay couple and a homosexual friend are suspected of deliberately infecting other homosexual men with HIV. In addition, there has been no discussion in the Dutch media, nor in the Dutch Parliament or local councils, about Holland's liberal sex and drugs culture as a result of this scandal. The reference used in this Conservapedia does not demonstrate any public debate on this matter. In my opinion, this statement should be properly referenced by news reports on the debate that allegedly ensued after this homosexual sex scandal.

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Surprisingly neutral

I figured the article would blast the Dutch for being so liberal but it doesn't, i'm shocked but in a good way --WeirdScience2 10:24, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Influential..

(about the Holland provinces) "all lie in these provinces that have always been the most influential regions in the Netherlands, "

This is only true +/- 1500-1550 AD and later, before 1500 AD, the Southern Netherlands were way more influential (the major Belgian cities like Brussels, Antwerp and Brugge, but even the cities in Brabant in the current NL like Breda and 's Hertogenbosch) Marcov 10:29, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Place names starting with "The"

I'd like to make a list of Place names beginning with an article, like:

We could indicate which of this is officially correct, and also note any historical changes. --Ed Poor Talk 11:17, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Name for encyclopedia article

"The Kingdon of the Netherlands" is an English translation of the formal name. it is NOT the official name which is "Koninkrijk der Nederlanden". Our readers will be better served by the usual English name for the country, "Netherlands." For example if they are writing papers their teachers will want them to use "The Netherlands" and NOT use "The Kingdom..." variation. RJJensen 09:24, 5 January 2009 (EST)

I'm afraid, you're wrong. I elaborated this in the next section Clement ♗ 07:49, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

The Kingdom of the Netherlands is not the Netherlands!

There is a not-too-subtle difference between The Netherlands and The Kingdom of the Netherlands: The former are the European part of the latter. Actually, the Netherlands are just what is described in the article on The Kingdom of the Netherlands. The Kingdom of the Netherlands on the other hand consists from The Netherlands, Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles.

IMO, the existing article should be moved to The Netherlands and a new article should be created stating something like:

The Kingdom of the Netherlands is as association of The Netherlands, Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. The responsibilities of the member states (Dutch: landen) are described in the Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands[1].
  1. http://www.minbzk.nl/aspx/download.aspx?file=/contents/pages/48365/thecharterforthekingdomofthenetherlands.pdf Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands

Dutch language

I have removed most attempts to teach Americans the Dutch version of various names. If anyone wants to create a Glossary of Dutch terms as a separate article, that would be great. One thing you could do is explain why some geographical names start with "'s" and why that is so important for us English speakers to know. --Ed Poor Talk 18:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)


  • The Dutch term of kingom of the netherlands is Koninkrijk der Nederlanden. So, if one of the students who frequents this wiki has stumbled upon this term during his studies and wants to look it up at Conservapedia, he should be able to find this article via the search function. That's the main point, I think - and it holds true for Vereenigde Oostindische, etc. Or imaging he gets a card from a friend who is staying in 's Gravenshage - because he likes the quirky spelling. A search at Conservapedia should come up with a valid result.
  • We foreigners see it as a kind of courtesy if our cities, countries, famous places are called by our less known own names, too: I don't expect an article on Wien, but I surely hope that the name Wien is mentioned in the article on Vienna.
  • It's nice to know that antidisestablishmentarianism is the longest word in the Oxford dictionary. In fact, that is its claim to fame, and perhaps the main reason that there is an article on this subject here at Conservapedia. I assume that there are quite a few pupils out there who enjoy such an information - and who like to see that there are words starting with an starting with an "'s". It may not by important, but it is enjoying - as much as knowing that Liechtenstein and Uzbekistan are the only doubly landlocked countries.
But that's all fairly basic stuff and I'm somewhat surprised that I have to spell the points above out. AugustO 19:10, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
BTW: It should be obvious from the above - I reintroduced the courtesy references to the Dutch names: a glossary of Dutch terms seems to be unnecessary for the Dutch proper names of cities, etc., and anyone looking for a term like 's Gravenshage would have to take an additional step before reaching the article of the Netherlands which includes the section on The Hague. AugustO 19:30, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Please use proper indenting standards. Don't edit war with admins. Any more nonsense with Dutch article, and you'll be banned.

I already told you that this is an English language encyclopedia. Like Wikipedia, we follow the principle of least astonishment. Information should be where American readers can find it. If you want to help a few Dutch readers (rare though they surely will be), you are welcome as I said elsewhere to create a Glossary of Dutch terms as a separate article.

Stop pretending you don't understand my instructions, and stop causing trouble, or be elsewhere. --Ed Poor Talk 19:38, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

I'd appreciate if you would address my points above. Here a summary:
  1. It's helpful to have the native names in the according articles as they can be found by a simple search.
  2. It's courteous to the natives to state their names for things you are writing about.
  3. Some quirks of languages are interesting in their own right.
AugustO 20:05, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

Wikipedia

I am afraid the section "Politics" was copied, in this edit, from two Wikipedia articles: Pim Fortuyn and Geert Wilders. As the Commadments say the content should not be copied, I suggest removing it; it might be a copyright violation. There should be a better way to describe politics of Netherlands - list of political parties, current government etc. instead of two detailed specific biographies. Cipe 19:05, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

You are right, I'll delete the section. AugustO 19:23, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
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