Talk:Obama birth certificate controversy
Scope of Article
A start on this issue...
The plan is to have a complete article exploring the pros and cons about it, in this suggested layout:
- Introductory paragraph
- Explanation of the requirement in Article II Section 1 of the Constitution, and what the differences are between native-born, natural-born, and naturalized citizens;
- History of the issue as used during the 2008 campaign, including differences between Obama and McCain regarding these documents and places of birth;
- Detailed treatment of the Hawaiian short-form copy released by Obama's staff, including allegations that it may be a forgery;
- Detailed treatment of the recently-released Kenya certificate; including allegations that it may also be a forgery;
- The refusal of Obama to settle the matter by the release of the long-form document from Hawaii.
Karajou 12:39, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
- During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.
- Obama likewise could put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure. This information is not provided on the Certification of Live Birth.
As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose birthplace (hospital, home, clinic) is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.
- Only if necessary. Karajou 12:53, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
- Does anyone have links to the evidence handy? A references section seems like the next logical step here. --Benp 13:18, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
- This story  details the fact that Stanley Dunham entered U of Washington 15 days after Obama was born; This one  highlights the certificate from kenya, and whether or not it may be a forged copy of an Australian certificate; this one  is about how the actual birth certificate used in Hawaii in 1961 looked like; there are other stories listed on these pages from WND; there are others throughout the net. Karajou 13:26, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
- More than sufficient, I think. Did you want to set up the references section? It's your project, after all. --Benp 13:37, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
Washington Post story
This source  highlights the problem against McCain in 2008. It should also be noted that several presidential candidates also had simialr problems; one was Barry Goldwater, who was born when Arizona was still a U.S. territory. Karajou 12:55, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
This story  indicates that the Obama "birth certificate" recently highlighted by California attorney Orly Taitz as a genuine Kenyan record may be an altered or faked Australian document. Official birth record examples from Kenya were posted here as well for comparison. Karajou 12:58, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
The image is ridiculous. It is destroying the credibility that conservapedia possesses with it's stupidity. I cannot stress how bad it is Sy20 17:01, 2 March 2012 (EST)
- Oh,c'mon, it's an insightful picture. All those things are required to be eligible for president. Don't you remember how President Bush released his kindergarten records? </heavy, heavy sarcasm>