Talk:Penn Jillette

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Does anybody know if Penn is actually a Libertarian activist? I tried to research if he's actually done work for the Party, but I couldn't find anything. He has performed magic shows for the party, but I don't think that's activism. On the other hand, I know he is a libertarian (small "l") activist. So... I'm not sure which one it should be. Jazzman831 13:10, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

I think he was a Fellow at the Cato Institute in the past if memory serves, but I don't know if he is still doing it. I unlocked the article, feel free to expand it. conservative 05:20, 29 June 2011 (EDT)


Dvergne's Edits vs. Conservative's Reverts

I know that I'm firmly in the minority here for saying this, but I think User:Dvergne was correct in his recent revisions to this page before User:Conservative reverted the changes and locked the page. If we want to be taken seriously as a legitimate alternative to Wikipedia, we need to stick to the facts and avoid ad-homonym attacks. Unfortunately, most of this page is about SOG and others who are challenging Mr. Jillette instead of being a biographical page about him. I know I'm new here and shouldn't be rocking the boat, but I wouldn't feel right if I kept my mouth shut on things like this. Take it for what it's worth, just my two cents... Fnarrow 22:55, 5 April 2013 (EDT)

Which is why I made those edits to get it into a semi-reasonable state. They way that User:Conservative had it was completely unacceptable for a wiki like this, it was more like something you'd expect to read in a very very dodgy celebrity section in a really tabloidy tabloid. Unfortunately User:Conservative has a habit of locking pages when another user makes constructive improvements to the article which he does not agree with. I find such tactics quite childish and similar to what a child would do when they keep getting hit for six in the park, take their bat and ball home. Dvergne 03:24, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

I agree completely. It's not as if I feel this information should be ignored or suppressed, but the same quotes can already be found verbatim (or at least very close to verbatim from a quick read) on the pages Atheism_and_cowardice, Shockofgod's_debate_challenge_to_atheist_Penn_Jillette, Sye_Ten_Bruggencate, Sye_Ten_Bruggencate's_debate_challenge_to_atheist_Penn_Jillette and possibly others but those were the ones I was able to find just from direct links. All of those pages seem like more appropriate places for it than on the Penn Jillette page. If we want to keep this site as legitimate and accessible as possible, my suggestion would to be make biographical pages purely biographical and then list these other pages in the "See Also" section as they already are. The true Christians and Conservatives will already agree with the statements on those other pages, but if we want to convince liberals and people in the middle to come to this side, we need to rewrite pages like this to stick to the immediate topic while making the other facts available through links without shoving it down their throat before they're ready to swallow it. Fnarrow 11:49, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

Brights section and a question/proposal for Conservative

Conservative can you please give me access to do some editing to this page or do it yourself? While Penn is still listed as a member on the Brights' website, he makes it very clear on page 229 of his new book Every Day is an Atheist Holiday that while he still supports the group in theory, he no longer associates himself with them. While I do not agree with everything (possibly even most things) Mr. Jillette says I am a fan of his and would like to expand this page. I know this is one of those topics that we will disagree on, but I also think we both trust each other enough to know the other has nothing but the best interest of Conservapedia at heart. So if you have the time, maybe we can even do it as a joint project? Or I could make "draft page" somewhere and submit it for your approval? Let me know what works best for you. Fnarrow 14:12, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Once again requesting that this page be unprotected...

I know it's been asked several times before, but I haven't actually heard an answer. Is there a reason this page is still protected? The page is full of out of date and inaccurate information and I would really like to bring it up to date. Thanks, Fnarrow 14:39, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

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