Talk:Pierre Trudeau

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Is Trudeau's coining of "Fuddle Duddle" notable? Barikada 20:41, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Ha ha :D but didn't the stenographer actually coin the phrase? I'm not persuaded that it's really notable. That's my opinion, maybe the N American editors think differently? 10px Fox (talk|contribs) 20:46, 23 January 2008 (EST)
No... he was accused of mouthing profanity while someone else was speaking. When asked about it (And then badgered for a bit and asked about the "nature of [his] thoughts") he responded with "What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say “fuddle duddle” or something like that? God, you guys…!"
Personally, I'd say it should probably qualify as just a little piece of trivia, not it's own page or something. Barikada 20:51, 23 January 2008 (EST)
Yeah, I know the story. But its value to the article? "Trudeau was accused of silently mouthing obscenities at his opponents in Parliament." Beyond that, you then have to start explaining what the phrase is a euphemism for, and that certainly won't stand in CP :) 10px Fox (talk|contribs) 21:00, 23 January 2008 (EST)
Aww... :( Barikada 21:06, 23 January 2008 (EST)

15th Canadian liberal Prime Minister

The way this was written, it looked like Trudeau was the 15th liberal PM, rather than the 15th overall. I removed the Liberal part. He is clearly identified as the leader of the Liberal Party in the next paragraph, so I don't think I am commiting any liberal deceit by removing it.

Born in Montreal, no?

No? MichaelHWC 21:26, 8 November 2009 (EST)

oui. RJJensen 21:30, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Canada did not have the power to shape its own foreign policy,

...and yet the rest of the pgph goes on to show how Canada did precisely that--friendliness towards moscow, etc. not to mention not getting suckered into Vietnem. How about the centrality of UN peacekeeping to Canada's foreign policy during the 1970s and 80s? And why take out the bits about nuclear weapons and reduced NATO commitment? MichaelHWC 00:07, 9 November 2009 (EST)

Good point. Canada's defense is 99% under US control so it lacks independence in foreign policy. Therefore Trudeau tried symbolic things like statements that annoyed Americans. I expanded the military section. RJJensen 12:49, 9 November 2009 (EST)
where did you get the 99% figure from? It would seem to me that if the Americans controlled that much of the Canadian military, the Canadians would have fought in Vietnam and Iraq, allowed for the deployment of a nuclear arsenal on Canadian soil, etc. etc. MichaelHWC 13:44, 9 November 2009 (EST)
all of Canada's defense against Russia was controlled by the US. It could defend itself against anyone else. The US did not try to control Canada's foreign policy. RJJensen 14:25, 9 November 2009 (EST)
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