Talk:Robert Spencer

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R. Layla Terman, a half Jewish, half Muslim American in Canada and blogger says about Spencer:

What's amazing about Spencer is that while he shames so-called 'moderate' Muslims, he continuously reinforces the idea that 'true', 'traditional', and 'pure' Islam is a violent and intolerant threat.

and points some of his mistakes:

Spencer states and gives an example of a Hadith: "Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413; Narrated Abdullah bin Umar: The Jews {of Medina} brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque." The example of stoning is perhaps the best example Spencer could have used to reflect his own ignorance. Stoning is, in fact, never mentions in the Quran. At the time of Muhammad's life, stoning was being performed as part of the Jewish tradition, documented via the Torah, the first five books of the Bible, and the Talmud, or Jewish Oral Law. In the Old Testament of the Bible, stoning is prescribed a method of execution for crimes such as murder, blasphemy or apostasy. While the Quran (24:2 Surah a Nur) only stipulates 100 lashes for adultery, stoning has been codified in some versions of Shari'a due to the above Hadith. This is the only Hadith, or for that matter, Islamic source, that legitimates stoning. However, even this Hadith has been largely delegitimatized as a justification for stoning. This is due to the fact that the Prophet Muhammad was ordering a Jewish couple to be stoned for adultery, and stoning was the appropriate punishment for adultery at the time in the Jewish community. In fact, other translations of this same Hadith has the Prophet Muhammad saying in response to the couple "do as your People do," or in other words, perform the punishment most suitable to your religious tradition, namely, Judaism. Thus it is deeply questionable whether the Prophet was condoning and prescribing stoning as an Islamic act, or simply acknowledging that people should live by their own rule of law, and be punished as such by members of their own society. [1]

--Joaquín Martínez 09:15, 21 April 2010 (EDT)


Notorious Islam hater

Among many sources, see: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6],

and, why not, his own words in FrontPage [7], and [8], and also: [9].

--Joaquín Martínez 00:10, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

The alleged evolution of violence as central to Islamic doctrine is discussed at some length in Spencer’s book, beginning with the section, “The Evolution of the Command to Wage War” on pages 76-78 of Chapter Five, entitled, “A Warner in the Face of a Terrific Punishment,” which serves as an introduction to chapters six through eight, entitled respectively, “Muhammad Becomes a War Lord,” “War Is Deceit,” and “Casting Terror into Their Hearts.” [10]

--Joaquín Martínez 08:56, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

Peaceful coexistence

The best hope for peaceful coexistence is for the Islamic world to embrace modernization and individual liberty, not for the West to turn its back on those values... It is quite true that, in the age of militant Islamic terrorism, it is not very helpful to tell millions of peaceful Muslims that their religion is inherently violent, evil, and oppressive. [11] --Joaquín Martínez 08:38, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

Moderate Muslims

How many 'moderate' Muslims are there in the world? If there are 1.57 billion Muslims and 99% are peaceful people, then, could we call a religion violent and intolerant if it has so many peaceful adherents? The answer is a clearly NO. --Joaquín Martínez 13:14, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

Article Changes

This article has some flaws that need fixing. Instead of slamming the guy, how about we give him support? References from Muslim CAIR and other Muslim websites are not credible. Link to a page on Wikipedia about him is not acceptable. Joaquín, I hope I don't step on your toes here. Peaceful coexistence is a nice thought but only a pipe dream. Muslims have to learn to live with non-believers of Mohammed. Describing Spencer as a hater for exposing Muslim hatred is a bit of a stretch.--Jpatt 19:54, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

Edits are welcome. --Joaquín Martínez 12:08, 28 May 2010 (EDT)
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