Talk:Same-sex marriage

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JonM 22:08, 20 December 2011 (EST)

Excellent Article

should be required reading before editing this page. We should link it in the main article: http://dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=1935

In fact, I recommend much of Dissent Magazine.

Same sex marriage revert

Hello, and hope you are well. I am still learning, and I hope only to make quality edits to this site. What was wrong with my edit to the same-sex marriage page? Specifically, what's wrong with the jargon of "Abrahamic religious faiths"? KatieKomori 10:35, 1 December 2012 (EST)

First, I'm confident other religions ban it. Hinduism has been against the homosexual agenda, for example. Second, the phrase "Abrahamic religious faiths" is jargon at best. Third, it is a redefinition of marriage, and "expansion" would be euphemism.--Andy Schlafly 11:29, 1 December 2012 (EST)
I don't think that your confidence is substitute for citation. Is there a rule against "jargon" on this site? What does that mean? And I guess that redefinition is another way to describe it, but I won't argue semantics and will concede that. KatieKomori 01:14, 3 December 2012 (EST)

"...contrary to thousands of years of success..."

The Civil Rights movement of the 60s and 70s was similarly 'contrary.' Is that to be supposed as somehow wrong or undesirable as well? If not, why not? Tox 07:48, 24 December 2012 (EST)


update on population info

Removed statement that population had dropped starting 2005. The cited article stated that this was the second year in a row that Ma population had dropped, not that it started dropping in 2005 in response to the legalization of gay marriage.

Further, this article from the Mass Secretary of State: http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cis/cismaf/5f.pdf shows that the MA population actual grew by at least 2.2% every year of that decade. The cited editorial clearly has its facts incorrect.

Grumfan 18:57, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

Food for thought for liberals on same-sex "marriage"

If same-sex "marriage" is really as great as its supporters and the mainstream media like to make it out to be, then why does the media see fit to censor, suppress and silence any and all opposing viewpoints and criticism against it (including selectively editing and twisting the opposing views to make them and their proponents look bad)? When they see a need to resort to that, that tells me that the supporters have something to be afraid of in the opposing views. Northwest (talk) 02:04, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Good point. From the liberal MSM like The Washington Post, you'd never know that people like Bishop Harry Jackson even existed, much less that they had anything to say on the subject. DavidE (talk) 21:15, 11 March 2016 (EST)

Opinion on Same-sex 'marriage'.

I would like to know how you religious conservatives feel about same sex 'marriage' being legal in the United States. Are you guys still pro-American or anti-American?. I personally don't mind same sex 'marriage' being legal in America or anywhere else.I still like my country and it is a free country. I just would like to know how you guys feel about. I heard that many Christian conservatives cried over same sex 'marriage' and begged God to forgive this nation and not to forsake it. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/report/the-persecution-complex-the-religious-rights-deceptive-rallying-cry/

You forgot to sign your comment, Coolguy. As for the religious opinion, here some facts.--Nathan (talk) 17:20, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
Leviticus 18:22, 20:13.
Romans 1:26-28.
Jude 1:7-8.
In Leviticus, early Jewish law, sex between two man or two women was a sin, and the punishment was death. Death wasn't the punishment for all sins at the time - there are a lot of other punishments mentioned - but death was notable. Yet that Jewish law went away.
Romans explains that it is still a sin. Jude reminds that it is Sodomy, and it is among the worst things doable. Yet there are other facts to consider.
  1. Christians are supposed to forgive sin, for all have sinned.
  2. Marriage is not the sin, it's the sex ... and what constitutes the sex is hard to define, because between men there is no real process of making babies. It's typical to consider the attempt a sin. As for the whole thing between female stem cells becoming sperm cells ... it makes things too complicated.
  3. Sin is not encouraged by any means - it is a shame to sin, and a good man avoids sin and temptation. It's not acceptable, just because it is forgiven.
  4. A lot of law avoids sin, and many things that are sins (murder, theft, libel, assault, arson) are also illegal. Sex between men happens not to be on this list ... but it can often be counted as rape, or battery, because it tends to have a "dominant" man and a victim.
  5. Sex usually takes place between married people.
To many of us, it seems like legalizing homosexual marriage is encouraging sin, and that's a bad thing. Many people are opposed to it, but it is to me reasonable to accept homosexual couples who are married but never have sex.
To put it simply in other words (and as the article itself makes clear), same-sex "marriage" is not, has never been and will never be a legitimate marriage. Just because certain corrupt politicians and judges (and the liberal media who back them up) claim it's "legal" does not, and will never, make it right (and the fact that said politicians and judges did illegal end-runs around the Constitution and federal, state and local laws, based solely on politics and personal feelings, to make same-sex "marriage" "legal" says a whole lot).
And incidentally, Coolguy, using a left-wing website that resorts to fake news and deceit as your source to back your argument puts your argument on quicksand, as does your accusation of religious conservatives being "anti-American" when liberals who back same-sex "marriage" and their other sacred cows themselves act in very anti-American ways (including burning the Stars and Stripes, the anti-Trump riots, attacks on America's military veterans, support for the very anti-American and anti-Western ideologies of Communism and Islam, etc.). Northwest (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
God makes it very clear in His Word that marriage is between a man and a woman and that homosexuality is a sin. This is the case regardless of what a government or court says about marriage or homosexuality. I love my country, and because of that I want it to abide by Psalm 33:12. Regarding homosexuality, also see Genesis 2:24, Metthew 19:4-5, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:9-10. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:28, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
In answer to the comment that "it is a free country," Biblical morality is not based on the non-aggression principle. DavidE (talk) 11:25, 21 July 2017 (EDT)