Talk:The South

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It gets tricky defining "The South" as far as a geographic region in the United States. The ones listed in the article are what I would consider to be Civil War Era south. However, I've found this map as well on the census website that has a considerably larger scope here. --Colest 15:48, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Solid South

Both of the Bushs carried a solid South in 1988, 2000, and 2004. Clinton won in 1992 & 1996 by winning some southern states, but not all of them. <http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stats/elections/maps/>


Any reason that you removed the category Rob? --Colest 12:25, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Which cat? RobS 15:50, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
I had it tagged as Geography, I think it might have just been accidently removed. --Colest 16:02, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

I removed Missouri and Kentucky because they were not part of the Confedracy.--Cobb 12:35, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

I made a change regarding the 1968 election. The Democrats carried Texas.--McIntyre 13:28, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

Before someone reverts this again, please note that the Democrats carreid Texas in 1968--Davyjones 14:24, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

OK, before editing, check the map. Nixon did NOT carry Texas in 1968--Lobo 13:08, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Kerry material

Democratic Senator John Kerry, the party's 2004 Presidential nominee, mocked Southerners and their tradition of military service during the 2006 Midterm elections saying,
You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq. [1]
The incident is widely believed to have killed any hope for Kerry to run as a viable Presidential candidate in 2008, or ever again.

I don't see what this has to do with the South. According to the reference, the speech was made in California, and the reference does not, as far as I can see, even mention the South. If you assume that he was mocking military volunteers (my perception is that he was attempting to mock Bush for getting the U. S. stuck in Iraq, and phrased it so clumsily and gracelessly that it was readily subject to misinterpretation... but never mind), well, military volunteers are not limited to the South. Dpbsmith 14:48, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

  1. Blistering of Kerry for stuck in Iraq' remark continues By Rick Maze, Military News Air Force Times, November 01, 2006.

Education

I'm not sure this 'ding' against the south is justified. Any part of the country, southern or not, has lower scores for minority populations - and the south happens to have a higher percentage of minority population than most other areas of the country. Going by overall trends in our country, it should be expected that the south would test lower in educational achievement. Learn together 12:02, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

You are right, there are always cause and effects when it comes to this sort of thing. Perhaps the article would be better served by just providing some demographic data and allowing the reader to draw the correlation. --Colest 12:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
A review of the cite provided (and it is a good cite) shows virtually all scores from all states are minutely below national averages, minutely. See for yourself. There are two scales with national averages of something lke 238 and 257 (speaking from memory), and all states consistently come in 2 or 3, seldom more than 5 or 6 pts lower, IOW 98 to 99% of the national average. One instance, from memory, I think MS had one embarssingly low score. It's little more than a curiousity, and doesn't deserve much attention. RobS 17:30, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
Well then, it seems like we're all agreed that it doesn't belong here. --Colest 17:44, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Please, before someone willy-nilly reverts this, please note that I have cited my sources--Philaretes 14:35, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

We discussed this above; the claims are so marginal that to make light or it raises the issue of undue weight (unless you are a racist and attempting to make a connection between large minority populations and lower academic scores. Either way, it's not going into this article). RobS 14:58, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
How's this for compromise language,
  • Liberal racists maintain the South, with it's large minority populations, lags behind the rest of the US in academic scores. RobS 15:02, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
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