Talk:Theory of evolution
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Student Panel's Decision
After much debate, the Conservapedia Panel has finished reviewing the Theory of Evolution page. We have determined that the article will remain protected indefinitely, to protect it from inevitable vandalism. We have decided that the article will not be changed in any major way. However, we agree that the article lacks an adequate, concise explanation of the Theory of Evolution. Those who wish to assist in improving this article should submit proposed changes to the panel for review. We also realize the article is in need of revisions to areas containing problems with grammar and style and appreciate your help correcting this. The Panel apologizes for the long delay in this decision. Thank you for your patience. Please submit any further issues to the panel at User talk:CPanel, and we will do our best to resolve them.
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The Panel regarding a concise definition of the theory of evolution:
- The article has been improved significantly since we began working on this issue. Some of the Panel may not be aware of these changes. They have been contacted, and after they give their opinions, we will post the results here. ~ CPanel 18:41, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
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- I would like to assist in the matter of improving this article. As a first step, the picture of Adolf Hitler should be removed as the main image for the article. This not only makes us conservatives look foolish, but perpetuates the idea that someone who takes a scientific theory out of context is responsible for the original theory. I can assure you that Charles Darwin and Adolf Hitler never had a conversation. Griffin84 06:24, 9 November 2008 (EST)
- I would suggest you did not read the whole evolution article or if you did you are engaging in willful error or deception. Charles Darwin wrote in his work The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex the following: “At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes...will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla." conservative 22:55, 9 November 2008 (EST)
- And I would suggest that you explain why this quote has anything to do with a Christian creationist who killed six million Jewish people. I think it's rather bad taste to keep that picture up there, and rather bad formatting to keep such a long eyesore of a text box underneath it. --Rainedaye 15:00, 10 November 2008 (EST)
- Rainedaye, if memory serves I think you are establishing quite a reputation for errant posts on talk pages. Please show that Darwin was a creationist and not an evolutionist. Secondly, I think there is certainly considerable and rightful skepticism regarding Hitler being a Christian. I think you should consider that historical determinations are often probabilistic and not certain. For example, there is the "Hitler Tabletalk" controversy. I seem to recall that Hitler likely was into the occult and the History channel noted this. Please see: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3014581497309209211 There is also the issue of the Nazi's persecution of the confessing church associated with Bonhoeffer: http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20080104.html In short, I think your statement above is rather simplistic. conservative 21:10, 10 November 2008 (EST)
- And I would suggest that you explain why this quote has anything to do with a Christian creationist who killed six million Jewish people. I think it's rather bad taste to keep that picture up there, and rather bad formatting to keep such a long eyesore of a text box underneath it. --Rainedaye 15:00, 10 November 2008 (EST)
- I would suggest you did not read the whole evolution article or if you did you are engaging in willful error or deception. Charles Darwin wrote in his work The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex the following: “At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes...will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla." conservative 22:55, 9 November 2008 (EST)
- I would like to assist in the matter of improving this article. As a first step, the picture of Adolf Hitler should be removed as the main image for the article. This not only makes us conservatives look foolish, but perpetuates the idea that someone who takes a scientific theory out of context is responsible for the original theory. I can assure you that Charles Darwin and Adolf Hitler never had a conversation. Griffin84 06:24, 9 November 2008 (EST)
- Conservative, assuming that you are correct about Hitler being an evolutionist, the Hitler image should still be removed from its current position. A picture of Charles Darwin would be far more fitting as a main image for the article. Hitler does not represent the Theory of Evolution. Darwin does. --JArneal 20:04, 13 November 2008 (EST)
- Why not just split the evolution article from a discussion of eugenics - a simple link is sufficient. The current mixing of the two makes the article confused. This page should be simply limited to the theory of evolution and the evidence against it - related political matters need their own article.
- Conservative, assuming that you are correct about Hitler being an evolutionist, the Hitler image should still be removed from its current position. A picture of Charles Darwin would be far more fitting as a main image for the article. Hitler does not represent the Theory of Evolution. Darwin does. --JArneal 20:04, 13 November 2008 (EST)
Hitler, Social Darwinism, and the "survival of the fittest" are all linked to the Eugenics movement which led to the Holocaust. The picture is apt. --Ed Poor Talk 20:09, 13 November 2008 (EST)
- I will not disagree with you on that point. But the image is not as apt as an image of Darwin.--Jarneal 20:38, 13 November 2008 (EST) Please? Will someone who has the authority change it?-- JArneal 16:04, 28 November 2008 (EST)
Meaning of the word "theory"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
I know everyone hates wikipedia, but this article does a good job explaining what evolution really is, and why it is both a "fact" and a "theory"
An interesting read, regardless of your political/religious position Conservamike 19:47, 17 November 2008 (EST)
- Please see the section of the Conservapedia evolution article which cites Popper. The evolutionary position is not a theory. conservative 18:11, 18 November 2008 (EST)
- How is evolution not a theory? All that is required for a scientific idea to be a theory is to be a testable model that can predict future occurences. Evolution has been tested against fossil records and has that ability to predict based on what scientists have found. I can understand disagreement with evolution, but to say that it is not a theory mystifies me.-- JArneal 22:17, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Spelling errors
There are many spelling errors in the article. Please review the article. I will not list the errors here, because they are quite elementary and I am sure that any CP editor can see them clearly.--JZim 23:27, 17 November 2008 (EST)
- If you wish to make any more unsubstantiated claims please let us know. In addition, we do thank you for your generous spirit and willingness to pitch in and roll up your sleeves. Again, thank you for your helpfulness. I don't know what this website would do without you. conservative 23:37, 18 November 2008 (EST)
- I guess my claims may seem unsubstantiated now that the spelling errors have been moved - not deleted, but moved - to the CP main page. My willingness to pitch in and roll up my sleeves? Thanks for noticing that the article is not blocked in any way and has never been blocked, ever. Your astounding sense of perception never ceases to amaze me, Conservative. What would this website do without me? Perhaps it would elevate a person who cannot spell words in his own mother tongue to the highest editor status, in true encyclopaedic fashion. Once more, I thank you for your evident civilised manner, Conservative.--JZim 21:32, 19 November 2008 (EST)
- If you wish to make any more unsubstantiated claims please let us know. In addition, we do thank you for your generous spirit and willingness to pitch in and roll up your sleeves. Again, thank you for your helpfulness. I don't know what this website would do without you. conservative 23:37, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Picture of Hitler
Regardless of what you think of the theory of evolution, is a picture of Hitler really an appropriate first picture in this article? Certainly he belongs in the article, but this seems to me equivalent of putting the a picture of John Wayne Gacy Jr. on the top of an article about clowns.
--Conservativecarl 14:40, 25 November 2008 (EST)
