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- 1 I changed the title of the article due to long term interest. Search engines searches will be for "trinity" and not "Holy Trinity"
- 2 also, i deleted a pic because there appeared to be no associated pic
- 3 source for koran view on trinity
- 4 Please remove categories
- 5 figure of speech
- 6 Hmm...
- 7 illustrations and analogies
- 8 radical revision
I changed the title of the article due to long term interest. Search engines searches will be for "trinity" and not "Holy Trinity"
I changed the title of the article due to long term interest. Search engines searches will be for "trinity" and not "Holy Trinity" Conservative 17:27, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
also, i deleted a pic because there appeared to be no associated pic
also, i deleted a pic because there appeared to be no associated pic. Conservative 17:48, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
source for koran view on trinity
The source should be given: it is koran 5:73 "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there is no god except One God." Immaculada 11:27, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
Also, the koran just resists the idea that Christians take a trinity including the Holy Mother. koran 5:116 : "And behold! God will say: 'O Jesus, the son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God,?'". Muslims may have targeted Christians who did not accept the Nicene Creed, which is our true Faith. Eg. Apocryphon of John 5:5 : "I am the Father, I am the Mother, I am the Son." Immaculada
Please remove categories
figure of speech
That is only one view of the Trinity. The Catholic position states that the three Persons are the same in being, but are truly distinct Persons, due to the different relations. -JamesB
What's this now? Mr. Shlafly taught me "Divine Guide"... What is this "Holy Spirit" you speak of?
illustrations and analogies
I added two illustrative analogies to H2O, due to the fact that water cannot exist simultaneously in three forms, each in the other. The water analogy, while good enough in a very limited way, tends toward the heretical view of modalism, which is a Unitarian idea that one Person played three different roles, but ignores the fact that the Son prayed to the Father and the Holy Spirit descended upon him. I got the "mind" illustration from various catechetical sources which use it as a non-physical, "spiritual", reality with which each of us is familiar. The human analogy I borrowed from my knowledge of Physiology, Psychiatry, Psychology and Sociology (no, I'm not an expert, just knowledgeable). The statement re the expressor, expressed, having self-knowing appreciation, comes from my own reflections, drawn from prayerful communion and dynamic psychology, informed by Catholic and Orthodox mystical theology. (I could have used in addition, "what it is, how it works, and what it does"—also, "object, shape, and color"—as inherent expressions of reality, but that would have been too much, they are not alive, and they were not necessary.) Helpful as each of these is, no description of words conveys the reality of being in the presence of God, like the touch of a loved one's hand. Yet each of us having been created with the gift of varying degrees of intelligence, the Lord seems to be ready to use intelligent communication to help us toward communion with him, else we would not have the Bible, apologetics, preaching of the word, and forms of worship and service in the community of the Body of Christ. I am just doing what I can to help express the truth of what is finally inexpressible ("ineffable") in its entirety. Yet, for all their limitations, incomplete expressions that are not the entire reality are adequate when accurate. I have never subscribed to the sentiment, "Oh, as soon as you express it, you have falsified it." Well, that's just Bull-cr..!—stupidity disguising itself as profundity, and offering nothing either insightful or helpful. Genuine Christian apologetics is the best way to go.
Incarnate reality merits incarnate explanations, which guide incarnate intelligent compassion in useful service to God and man.
God be with you all and richly bless you in his presence, now henceforward and forever! Semper Fi! --Dataclarifier (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2017 (EST)
After careful, and respectful reading and review, I reached the conclusion that this article needed a radical expansion and revision to make it more complete and encyclopedic. I have read and re-read it to be certain that it is neutral in tone. Instead of directly stating the points of doctrine, I say that Trinitarian apologists and believers say these things. I am open to serious criticisms and objections. The topic is basic and deeply profound. I have provided a listing of relevant informative links pertaining to this doctrine, including objections raised against the truth of the Trinity of God. If there is any uncertainty about my own belief, I am a Trinitarian, and a catholic orthodox Christian, and I see the completely certain scriptural and historical and doctrinal evidence that God is a Trinity of Persons in one Being and one Being in a Trinity of Persons. While we profess the doctrine of the Trinity, it is God Himself Whom we worship. And He has proven His love for us.