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Date and place of first raid on England

The page as it currently stands quotes the anglo saxon chronicle entry for the raid on Portland in 787 or 789 as refering to the Holy Island (Lindesfarne) raid of 793.

"...there came for the first time three ships; and then the reeve rode there and wanted to compel [the Vikings] to go to the king's town, because he did not know what they were; and they killed him. Those were the first ships of the Danish men which sought out the land of the English race."

Any objections to changing the entry?

jloveday



WRT the claim about days of the week: Sunday = Sun Day (Sunna), Monday = Moon Day (Mani), Tuesday = Tiw's Day (Germanic form of Tyr), Wednesday = Woden's Day (Anglo-Saxon form of Odin), Thursday = Thor's Day, Friday = Frigga's Day or Freya's Day, probably the former. Only Saturday = Saturn's Day is a Roman reference. Interesting side note: in most pagan mythologies, the sun is male and the moon is female, but in Norse mythology, it's the other way around. --Abell 13:25, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

I don't know that that's right. See Online Etymology Dictionary which indicates that Sunday and Monday are loan translations for "day of the sun" and "day of the moon", and doesn't mention the names of the "gods" you mention.

[Sunday]

[Monday]

You will find [1] [2] to be a good refrence for reading.
Monday - Moon Day
Tuesday - Tyr's Day. Tyr = Norse god of war. In French (from Latin) it is mardi - Mars Day. Mars = Roman god of war
Wensday - Odin's Day. Odin = Norse god of the traveler. In Frech, it is mercredi - Mercury's Day. Mercury = Roman god of travel.
Thursday - Thor's Day. Thor = Norse god of lightning. In French it is jeudi - Jupiter's Day. Jupiter = Roman god of lightning
Friday - Frigga or Freya's day. Frigg and Freya were both ferility goddesses. In french it is vendredi - Venus's Day. Venus = Roman god of fertility
--Mtur 21:26, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
Abell has asserted that Sunday and Monday are named for Sunna and Mani, but neither the Concise Oxford English Dictionary on my shelf nor the Online Etymology Dictionary bear out this assertion. I'd propose that someone confirm the etymology of the two days' names with the full OED and we accept that as the final source on the matter. In any event, the Anglo-Saxons were not Vikings....they were a Germanic culture made up largely of conquered Celts, so why is the sentence on the days of the week being named after Anglo-Saxon gods at all relevant to the Viking entry? I'm going to delete the sentence, but it might be added into an article about Scandivaian/Teutonic mythology, as trivia, or an article on the Anglo-Saxons.  : --JesusSaves 20:59, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
The Anglo-Saxons worshipped the Germanic pagan gods, who were essentially the same as the Norse ones; Wodin or Wotan is Odin, Thunor is Thor, Freya is Frig(ga) and so on. --SamCoulter 21:13, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

Source on Landings contradicts Statement

The source used to contest the idea of vikings landing in North America explicitly mentions that they did:

"Everybody does, however, agree the Vikings made it to North America 500 years before Christopher Columbus in 1492. And few question the fur-clad Ericson and his crew of explorers dropped anchor from their open plank boats off the beach near what is now L’Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, Canada, the site that would become the only authenticated Viking settlement in North America."

The article was about vikings not having landed in what is now New England. Unless the L’Anse aux Meadows findings can be proven wrong, the contention in this article that they never landed in North America needs to be removed as misleading. -DinsdaleP 14:59, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

With respect to Toffeeman, I think the article ought to reflect the vast majority of scholarly opinion. There's a great deal of historical and archaeological evidence that the Vikings settled for a few decades in Newfoundland. Whether they penetrated any further in North America is more controversial. I've simply reverted Toffeeman's reversion but if others wish to improve on my text, please do. But let's all please stick to the facts, not label well-established conclusions from decades of scholarship as 'liberal myths'. Googly 16:57, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

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