Talk:Writer's Guild of America

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Ahhmmmm...SSchultz....this is not Wikipedia. Just where exactly did you get this information:

In the 1947, members of the Writer's Guild were accused by Joseph McCarthy of being communist sympathizers.

This is no joke. This is not a laughing matter. This is an egregious offense, and I suggest you take this matter very seriously. Rob Smith 01:07, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Honest mistake, Rob. I confused HUAC with McCarthy's Senatorial committee. Thank you for correcting my error. But the issue still stands, the Writer's Guild has historic ties to communist activity, which explains why they're striking now. SSchultz 19:49, 8 November 2007 (EST)
I just ran a search on all 5 volumes of the Report of the Subversive Activities Control Board {Search) and didn't find any matches under that name; it is not on the Attorney General's List of 1948, either. So any information will need a further vetting. Did the organization ever exist under other names? What about its leadership and members? Where any prominent members also CPUSA members? Questions of this nature. Thank you. Rob Smith 20:53, 8 November 2007 (EST)
Unfortunately, I don't have a user name or password to search the directory, but the WGA is the successor organization to the Screen Writer's Guild which counted members of the Hollywood Ten including Samuel Ornitz, John Howard Lawson, Dalton Trumbo, and Lester Cole amongst it's founding members. SSchultz 23:14, 8 November 2007 (EST)
PS - I didn't intend to say that all members of the guild were accused of being communists, but some clearly were. SSchultz 23:19, 8 November 2007 (EST)
Ok, I searched all 5 volumes using those search terms with no results. This probably means these individuals were not associated with any other front organizations, and the files are elsewhere, most likely HUAC and possibly whatever CPUSA or Soviet files may be availalbe. I don't think any files would be in the SISS or PSI. Many of the officail HUAC files remain under seal, however, so from that all that may be available are published accounts from persons who attended the hearings. Rob Smith 23:36, 8 November 2007 (EST)
Ok, if they're not there, I understand, so would you prefer to reword it? Members of the Hollywood Ten were influential in the Screen Writer's Guild, and they refused to cooperate with HUAC. HUAC was legitimately trying to discover how deep communist influence ran in Hollywood, so to my mind that makes the Hollywood Ten communist sympathizers. SSchultz 23:48, 8 November 2007 (EST)

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The important point that needs to be properly articulated in this article & elsewhere, dealing with the so-called "Hollywood Blacklist," and the so-called "Hollywood Ten," is this: these persons were not victims, and/or blacklisted by the United States Government, nor any Congressional Committee, nor victimized by any individual members of Congress. These persons were (1) convicted of crimes in a Court of Law; (2) allegeldy "blacklisted" by a private sector entity, i.e. the Motion Picture Academy of America (the very same outfit that dispense the Oscars). This must be clearly articulated, and further, used as an example of Communist, and also liberal media biases, hoaxes, and propaganda, that the true historical facts have been grossly, and repeated distorted, if not nakedly lied about. Rob Smith 18:04, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Writer's/ Writers

The WGA website refers to the union as the "Writers" and not the "Writer's" Guild - can someone change the article's title, please?Dewey 23:32, 8 November 2007 (EST)

I'll run a search again. Rob Smith 23:36, 8 November 2007 (EST)
No luck. I only got one hit on the word "Guild," from "Newspaper Guild," which I saved & uploaded--may have a use for this elsewhere. [1] Rob Smith 23:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)


Did you try: http://www.wga.org/  ?? Dewey 23:45, 8 November 2007 (EST)


Ok, got it, I think. From here (a cached page) we have the names & testimony of Adrian Scott and Louis J. Russell. Scott pleads the 5th, Russell testifies, ". In the fall of the year 1944 Adrian Scott was issued 1945 Communist Political Association Card No. 47200. In the spring of 1945 Scott was a member of the Communist Political Association and held 1944 Communist Political Association Card No. 46832. In the fall of the year 1945 Scott was issued Communist Party Registration Card No. 35394 for the year 1946." "Communist Political Association" brings up the whole history of the orgainzation, headed by Browder, its Marxist-Leninsist devisionism, how it was renamed and renamed again, etc. All the typical commie stuff. And that is only Vol. 1 which has more than 700 pgs. Rob Smith 23:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)
Ok, I get 31 hits in the first two volumes, and none after. This covers about 1500 pages. The img is from the last hit, and probably is a summary of findings (this is an unverifiaed statement). What this finding is, is the basic history outlined which is reported in most other documents. Here, however, we have even the original primary sources reported. This from the SACB Final Report published in 1966. Rob Smith 00:12, 9 November 2007 (EST)
Preliminary Summary & interpretation: what this appears to be is a legitimate union that was infiltrated by members of the Communist Political Association, aka CPUSA or whatever. It would be incorrect to label WGA or SWG as a commie front, though its membership & leadership need to be looked at. Truthfully, I'm not that familiar with this stuff or the sources, and I have certainly avoided much of the other written accounts simply because they are suspect. On a personal level, my interest is in the diplomatic field, and this domestic stuff, while I've always heard the rumours, certainly would not take any of the apologists views at face value under any circumstances.
But anyway, we have a starting point. And some good, solid source material to work from. Rob Smith 00:33, 9 November 2007 (EST)

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Apostrophe

Shouldn't it be Writers' Guild (note apostrophe), since there are multiple writers? Maestro 11:35, 9 November 2007 (EST) Not according to their own literature - they are clearly the Writers Guild - see wga.org

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