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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 06:38:05 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 06:36:52 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 06:31:32 GMT (edit by IanR)

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Trayvon Martin:

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 06:30:00 GMT (edit by HHB)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 06:22:04 GMT (edit by IanR)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:18:41 GMT (edit by Aschlafly)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:15:05 GMT (edit by AndreaM)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:06:45 GMT (edit by AndreaM)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 04:33:39 GMT (edit by Aschlafly)

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For more than a century, the claim that E=mc<sup>2</sup> has never yielded anything of value.

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E=mc<sup>2</sup> is a meaningless statement in physics that purports to relate light to matter. In fact, no theory has successfully unified the laws governing mass (i.e., gravity) with the laws governing light (i.e., electromagnetism). Simply put, E=mc<sup>2</sup> is liberal claptrap.

Biblical Scientific Foreknowledge predicts that a unified theory of all the laws of physics are impossible, because light and matter were created at different times, in different ways, as described in the Book of Genesis.

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 03:24:02 GMT (edit by Conservative)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:35:55 GMT (edit by Aschlafly)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:35:54 GMT (edit by Aschlafly)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:35:51 GMT (edit by Aschlafly)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:34:34 GMT (edit by Jpatt)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:34:01 GMT (edit by Jpatt)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:33:32 GMT (edit by Nugler)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:33:18 GMT (edit by Nugler)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:31:51 GMT (edit by Nugler)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:31:50 GMT (edit by TerezaCrabtree)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:29:48 GMT (edit by Gregkochuconn)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:26:24 GMT (edit by Gregkochuconn)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:19:15 GMT (edit by Engels)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:12:44 GMT (edit by Conservative)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:10:50 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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For more than a century, the claim that E=mc<sup>2</sup> has never yielded anything of value.  Often it seems to be used as a redefinition of "energy" for pseudo-scientific purposes, as by the lamestream media. The equation has been used as a possible explanation for process involved in nuclear power generation and nuclear weapons, and in the study of antimatter.<ref>Tyson, Peter. "The Legacy of E=mc<sup>2</sup>." October 11, 2005. PBS NOVA. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/legacy-of-e-equals-mc2.html</ref>
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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:02:48 GMT (edit by FrederickT3)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:56:32 GMT (edit by Aschlafly)

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E=mc<sup>2</sup> is a meaningless, almost nonsensical, statement in physics that purports to relate light to matter.  In fact, no theory has successfully unified the laws governing mass (i.e., gravity) with the laws governing light (i.e., electromagnetism).  Simply put, E=mc<sup>2</sup> is liberal claptrap.
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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:55:37 GMT (edit by RolandPlankton)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:54:09 GMT (edit by Conservative)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:48:31 GMT (edit by JudyJ)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:45:47 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:41:38 GMT (edit by DavidEdwards)

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Irrelevant claims: anti-religious pseudoscience

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:35:20 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:26:01 GMT (edit by Conservative)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:15:08 GMT (edit by FrederickT3)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:07:27 GMT (edit by DavidEdwards)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:02:38 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:03:57 GMT (edit by DorMouse)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:03:08 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:59:23 GMT (edit by DavidEdwards)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:52:30 GMT (edit by WesleyS)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:14:24 GMT (edit by Conservative)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:10:50 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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For more than a century, the claim that E=mc<sup>2</sup> has never yielded anything of value.  Often it seems to be used as a redefinition of "energy" for pseudo-scientific purposes, as by the lamestream media. The equation has been used as a possible explanation for process involved in nuclear power generation and nuclear weapons, and in the study of antimatter.<ref>Tyson, Peter. "The Legacy of E=mc<sup>2</sup>." October 11, 2005. PBS NOVA. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/legacy-of-e-equals-mc2.html</ref>
For more than a century, the claim that E=mc<sup>2</sup> has never yielded anything of value.  Often it seems to be used as a redefinition of "energy" for pseudo-scientific purposes, as by the lamestream media. The equation has been used as a possible explanation for process involved in nuclear power generation and nuclear weapons, and in the study of antimatter.<ref>Tyson, Peter. "The Legacy of E=mc<sup>2</sup>." October 11, 2005. PBS NOVA. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/legacy-of-e-equals-mc2.html</ref>
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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:02:48 GMT (edit by FrederickT3)

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E=mc<sup>2</sup> is a meaningless, almost nonsensical, statement in physics that purports to relate light to matter.  In fact, no theory has successfully unified the laws governing mass (i.e., gravity) with the laws governing light (i.e., electromagnetism).  Simply put, E=mc<sup>2</sup> is liberal claptrap.
E=mc<sup>2</sup> is a meaningless, almost nonsensical, statement in physics that purports to relate light to matter.  In fact, no theory has successfully unified the laws governing mass (i.e., gravity) with the laws governing light (i.e., electromagnetism).  Simply put, E=mc<sup>2</sup> is liberal claptrap.
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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:55:37 GMT (edit by RolandPlankton)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:48:31 GMT (edit by JudyJ)

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An Example -- Nuclear Fission of Uranium: Neutrinos too

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:41:38 GMT (edit by DavidEdwards)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:26:01 GMT (edit by Conservative)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:15:08 GMT (edit by FrederickT3)

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Experimental verification: Typography

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:12:20 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:07:27 GMT (edit by DavidEdwards)

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Irrelevant claims:

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:02:38 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:58:46 GMT (edit by DavidEdwards)

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## Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:55:20 GMT (edit by AugustO)

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