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Evolution's Achilles' Heels, Evolution vs. God, etc.

Evolution's Achilles' Heels book is coming out in July of 2014 followed by a DVD documentary.[1]

Given the success of various previous creationist/intelligence design books, it will be interesting to see what other creationist/ID books come out in 2014 and beyond. I am looking forward to this matter.

Also, Ray Comfort's Evolution vs. God now has 1,618,923 views.[2] I am looking forward to when it receives over 4,000,000 views like his anti-abortion video called "180".[3] Conservative 14:40, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

Wasn't there another anti-evolution book that was announced on this site dozens of times over the past few years? It was meant for school children. It was called something along the lines of "a stake in the heart of evolutionism/atheism" and the "runaway train" of the Question Evolution! campaign, among other things. Does anyone know that status of this? --Randall7 17:25, 21 June 2014 (EDT)


I'm curious to know what those who have issues with the Bergdahl repatriation would have had done, had they been in charge? Is the problem the very concept of recovering a soldier who might have deserted? Or is it the number of Guantanamo Bay detainees swapped? Remember that he would likely have been used in propaganda by the terrorists, and he'd been in captivity for five years. CescF 22:41, 8 June 2014 (EDT)

So, what number of the Nazi leadership would you have traded for the 73,000+ MIA from WWII [4], since the US "doesn't leave any behind"? I'm just curious like you. OscarO 15:33, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

We may need to modify one of the news bulletins.


One of the news bulletins needs to be changed slightly:

"Fans of the evolutionary racist Adolf Hitler go on a shooting spree.[3] Like Hitler, they killed themselves as well. "

While I agree with the comparison to Hitler, the problem is that Hitler most likely didn't commit suicide, and declassified FBI documents imply that they were even tracking Hitler in Argentina. We may need to reword it slightly to take that into account, like "Like what was reported to be Hitler's fate..." or something like that. Pokeria1 12:01, 9 June 2014 (EDT)

Due to competing demands and a lack of time today to investigate your objection, the latter part of the post in question will be removed. Conservative 14:24, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
@Pokeria1, I am sure, that Hitler died in Berlin. There are witness, who have seen the bodies of Hitler and Eva Braun.--JoeyJ 05:52, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
Except the skull fragments recovered from the bunker that were believed to have belonged to both Braun and Hitler indicated that they belonged to a woman with no relation to Eva Braun, meaning they couldn't have belonged to Braun and certainly not to Hitler, either. And claiming witnesses means little, as people can claim witness all the time even when they actually haven't. Don't forget, several people claimed witness to the Duke Lacross Team's rape of Tarawa Brawley, even when they were actually innocent. When skull fragment DNA testing indicates they weren't the corpses, most likely they aren't the corpses. And apparently both Stalin and Eisenhower believed he may still be alive. Pokeria1 09:48, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
The source you are referring to is a book by Jerome Corsi and he is not a very serious historian. For example he believes that the U.S. government did 9/11.--JoeyJ 11:43, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
Maybe, but he also got the idea from Nicholas Bellatoni, an archaeologist from Connecticut State, and Bellatoni even got permission by the Russian Federation to analyze the skull fragments' DNA. I'm basing it more on Bellatoni's testimony than on Corsi's testimony. Pokeria1 14:21, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
So, what about the Argentine Newspapers reporting that Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun escaping to Argentina on a sub, or those FBI reports, heck, even Stalin, the head of the USSR at the time, being doubtful about Hitler's demise? There was also a submarine report there as well. For the record, I don't trust Truthers, as they are of the same camp that thinks the landing on the moon was staged, but the evidence supplied in the article is pretty much irrefutable, being from actual documentation and, in one case, DNA testing. And actually, I'm not even sure there were any witnesses, at least those who actually heard the gunshots. And normally if an enemy had committed suicide or was defeated, we inspect the body and photograph it to make sure we got him. Maybe he did commit suicide, I can't say, but the evidence is making that unlikely. That's not to say he's still alive now, though. Pokeria1 11:47, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
Stalin used Hitler's skull fragments on his desk as an ashtray. Don't think he had much doubts about Hitler's demise. OscarO 15:06, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

"All the resources that Barack Obama invested in the Iraq War is going up in smoke."

Yeah, shame on Barack Obama for starting that war. Also, it should be "are going up in smoke," as "resources" is plural. EddyJ 09:34, 12 June 2014 (EDT)

Obama could have pulled out of that war a lot sooner. That country was bound to be taken over by Sunni Muslim extremist. See: What is the cause of the Islamic militant surge? A country that is highly in debt like the United States cannot afford to squander resources. It's all Bush's fault is wearing mighty thin at this point. I never bought into it in the first place. As President Truman said, "The buck stops here."
Furthermore, Obama is now advocating throwing more resources into Iraq. Bush isn't forcing Obama to throw additional borrowed money into the money pit of Iraq. Conservative 22:27, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
I interpret the ISIS attack as triggered by Obama's policy of cozying up to Iran, especially by the nuclear deal he inked in 2013. The Saudis need someone to protect them from Iran. If Obama won't do it, they'll hire ISIS. ISIS is Sunni and most Iraqis are Shiite. The group won't be able to take over Iraq. The country will divide three ways, Kurd, Shiite, and Sunni. Ordinary Iraqis always hated Americans as infidels. Around 40 percent of them supported the attacks on U.S. soldiers. The CIA financed non-sectarian candidates, but they always flopped. The Shiites prefer the sectarian anti-Sunni politicians endorsed by Ayatollah Sistani, which is how Maliki got to be prime minister. PeterKa 10:41, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
It's interesting how ISIS is facing opposition by Teheran, Putin, and the United States. Which will play the leadership role? OscarO 15:15, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
Obama is even considering air strikes to support this unholy alliance![5] Now that the Iraqi army has disintegrated, the U.S. has no dog in this fight. The lives of U.S. airmen would be on the line to protect our enemies from a barbarian horde created by a "friendly" nation. It would be the perfect metaphor for Obamunism as a whole. Well, at least we now know that Obama isn't a Muslim. He's certainly not a Sunni Muslim, anyway, since he has screwed them over pretty royally. PeterKa 03:02, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
Meanwhile Boko Haram kidnaps another 20 girls [6] At least ISIS gets that embarassment off the front burner. So this doesn't affect the US. Funny, I thought ripping Khaddafi's eyeball out and sticking a lead pipe up his rectum was in our "interests and values", according to Obama. OscarO 19:59, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
Two thousand Iranian soldiers just entered Iraq, with more on the way.[7] So perhaps Shiite Iraq will survive after all, albeit as an Iranian dependency. Iraq's oil production is all in the South, so Iran is getting quite a deal. Oh, BTW, President Rouhani says he might that even "think about" cooperating with the U.S. Isn't that big of him? PetPerKa 07:53, 16 June 2014 (EDT)
So the US joins the axis of evil, Putin, Iran, and the US. Obama finally sees things Putin's way, and prefers Bashar Assad to ISIS. Perhaps iran needs nukes to guarantee peace stability in the region. More leading with his head up his culo from behind. OscarO 01:14, 17 June 2014 (EDT)

News item.


We might need to note that Gay Days at Disney World received a lot less attendance than usual, in part due to efforts from the Florida Family Association using airplane banners. [8] Pokeria1 12:09, 12 June 2014 (EDT)

"We want all our troops in Iraq to come home now!"

Apparently, there is a story on the main page that has been there since before the 2011 withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq. (Unless the editor who put it up there thinks that withdrawing the Marines who guard the embassy would be a prudent move.) EddyJ 09:36, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

I thought the USA had a small amount of troops in Iraq comparable to some European countries (not including Germany where we have a large amount of troops). My mistake. Thanks for the correction. Obama is less of a screw up than I thought.
Without some troops left behind like in previous wars (like Germany, Korea and Japan), the countries of Iraq/Afghanistan will fold to the radical Islamacist because some troops behind shows some commitment. But, I don't think the USA should have gotten into those wars under Bush. And Obama should have pulled completely out of Iraq and Afghanistan right away. The demographics in most Islamic countries with the fundamentalist having more kids points to them taking over in those countries. The USA should have done what the Israelis did after the Munich Olympic massacres of their athletes (pursued the terrorist directly responsible for 9/11 - namely Osama bin Laden and key Al Quada terrorists). And I don't think it was surprising that Pakistan was hiding Osama. We should stop sending them money. Conservative 13:40, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
Doesn't know the first thing about American involvement in Iraq, thinks people should listen to his/her opinion about what America should do in Iraq. EddyJ 14:24, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
Obama's hands-off policy is a continuation of the neocon Bush/Cheney strategy to get Muslims killing each other in the mid east rather than killing Christians and Jews in midtown Manhattan. Divide and rule. OscarO 17:33, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

Disgraceful behaviour at soccer world cup

Muslim player Fredrico Chaves Guedes (aka "Fred") praises Allah for being granted a penalty kick after taking a dive in the opening game of the corrupt world cup! See at the 39 second mark of this video -

Defending Freedom of Speech, Academic Freedom and Freedom on Inquiry

As outlined in a new section of Wikimedia Foundation there is a controversy about WikiConference USA which was advertised as open to all, including the "skeptical". When a noted critic of the WMF registered to attend the conference and had submitted a timely proposal to make a presentation, his registration was cancelled the afternoon before the conference began. Please consider signing the following petition: Thanks Wschact 13:02, 16 June 2014 (EDT)

Kohs was kind enough to grant permission for use of his chart in CP's Wikipedia article. :Greg Kohs is an entrepreneur Wikipedia waged jihad against. Readers should support him. OscarO 16:59, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

Benghazi Attack

This is the guy the NYT sips lattes with. Geez, I guess he was hard to find. OscarO 17:27, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

Is God a conservative or a libertarian?

Aquinas said something along the lines of how can man, with his finite mind, ever hope to understand the infinite ways of God.

Am I the only one who finds the "Is God a Conservative or a Libertarian?" link bordering on the blasphemous in its attempt to pin the Lord down to a geographically and temporally specific ideology? Does God want us to be Conservatives or libertarians is a fair question, but the Lord Himself? Rafael 17:26, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

Goods clearly a libertarian, a big believer in free will. OscarO 17:29, 19 June 2014 (EDT)
If He wants ten percent of our earnings, He apparently assumes a market economy. (No progressive taxation either.) PeterKa 02:09, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

5 maintenance tasks that need to be done - some of which could be automated

Some editors like to do wiki maintenance tasks. I started on two of these maintenance task, but I don't have the time to do it all myself.

There are 5 maintenance task that need to be done:

1. De-orphan pages which have no category tags or links to them from other pages.

2. Remove about 8% of the wiki pages which are ex-editors' user pages and user talk pages who have not edited in the last 3 years. And this task could probably be automated, but it could be done manually too.

There is a list of editors/users here:

If you go through the list and put delete page tags on the user pages and user talk pages of users who have been inactive for 3 years, then those pages can be deleted.

You can also find the pages that need to be deleted by looking at the pages that have these templates on them and then see if the users have been active in the last 3 years: and

3. Delete the templates that are never being used.

4. Build up the 2 sentence stub articles so they have at least 500 words. Using the random page search function, I estimate the stub articles are at least 30-40% of the wiki articles.

5. Within 10 years, about 50% of links become broken links. Xenu's Link Sleuth can crawl your website and find these dead links plus make a report:

Alternatively, using this Firefox tool or this chrome tool these dead links can be found.

I did this link maintenance already for the atheism, evolution and homosexuality articles.

I think these 5 maintenance tasks being done would enhance the user experience for the readers plus these are maintenance tasks that need to be done. Conservative 12:37, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

Automating some of these tasks

I mentioned Xenu's Link Sleuth above in order to help automate spotting the dead links. I think that deleting the the inactive editors who have not edited for 3 years could be automated as well. Maybe using something like User:EdBot. Conservative 13:36, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

EdBot's been dead for 3 years. Actually longer, since the upgrades Ed refers to occurred circa 2008 or 09. OscarO 17:04, 21 June 2014 (EDT)


Please delete the articles from the Category:Speedy deletion candidates.--JoeyJ 07:08, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

Done. Conservative 13:50, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

More disgusting Muslim cheating at soccer World Cup

Did anyone see the Russia vs. Algeria game? Muslim Algerian fans shone a laser in the eyes of the Russian goalkeeper during a set play, allowing Islam Slimani to get a header past him. The result is that Russia are knocked out while Algeria get rewarded and go through to the next stage! Everybody thanked Allah for the goal. RoryF 17:57, 26 June 2014 (EDT)

I would much rather play futbol than watch it. I find it incredibly stupid how the USA can tie Portugal, lose to Germany, and advance to the next round. What a backward set of rules. --Jpatt 22:17, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
Portugal lost to Germany and tied the US; should they go through instead? Ghana lost to both the US and Portugal; should they go through? What other set of rules would you propose? --JustinD 23:08, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
Jpatt - Portugal and the USA both beat Ghana, both lost to Germany, scored the same number of goals and drew against each other, however Portugal conceded more goals so the USA went through. Makes sense to me - Ghana didn't win any games at all. Who do you think should have advanced? RoryF 10:10, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
  • Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh have both written soccer-bashing articles. It seems to me that a good sport is one that promotes health and fitness, something soccer does better than American football. The main thing that holds it back it that the U.S. has never done well in international competition. PeterKa 20:04, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
Justin, Portugal and the USA tie. Portugal was deemed the winner, the USA the loser in points. Both advance. The USA loses to Germany, advances because of Ghana. Please spare me, the results are lame. I propose only winners advancing. Rory, supporters and fanatics are perfectly fine with all that surrounds the game and see nothing odd about it. To fans of non-joke American sports, the points system is flawed. I understand that this point forward, any loss is an elimination. It would be nice if it were like that from the onset because let's face reality. The USA will not win the World Cup. But they are contenders from not of their own accomplishments. It's like saying the last place team can be in the playoffs even though they are guaranteed to lose. How exciting. --Jpatt 21:02, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

JPatt, do you follow sports at all? At the end of the round robin, the USA and Portugal tied with identical records -- 1/1/1 -- and thus four points each. So they go to goal differential to break the tie, and the US advances based on a better goal differential. It's really simple, and hardly noteworthy. EddyJ 14:50, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

EddyJ, do you venture outside or are you chained to your computer? Sorry, I was questioning the points scheme of the entire World Cup whereby teams lose and advance. You know what's more exciting than a 1-1 tie? Hacky sack. --Jpatt 15:09, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
A 1-1 tie is a game where anyone can win, right up until the last minute. Sounds pretty exciting to me!! Did you watch the Brazil vs. Chile game? That was very exciting, as is the Costa Rica vs. Greece game that is on right now.
I don't really like soccer as a sport because I think it rewards poor behaviour in a way that makes falling over more rewarding than keeping on one's feet and playing on. I do, however, enjoy the spectacle of the World Cup and I can understand what all the excitement is about. RoryF 18:08, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
You got me, OK so I don't like watching and calling futbol boring is upsetting to many. I can't help it. I don't find it a joke sport, it just doesn't hold my interests. Now if a basketball court were the size of a futbol field and the score was one to one...I'd find that boring too.--Jpatt 22:37, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
There are people in my neighborhood who cheer loudly when my country plays soccer against other countries. And there are liberals in my area who run soccer leagues/clubs that don't keep score because they just play for fun. Being liberal underachievers, they don't realize that winning is fun! :) Conservative 22:03, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
70% of Americans don't follow the World Cup [9]
Speaking of the World Cup, the current news entry mentions that the top 4 in that event were all Christian nations. Can someone insert a link to the source making that claim? I know Brazil's likely one of the top 4, but I don't know the other three's specific identities, and it seems to be a blanket statement without some sort of citation. Pokeria1 17:10, 6 July 2014 (EDT)

Is this anything? RoryF 09:59, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

The linked article is satire. There is no such educational institution as the "Wyoming Institute of Technology". See [10]. GregG 10:28, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
Oh whoops! I definitely should have read it more closely then. I looked up Bob Jones University on this site and saw that it was real, got all excited and posted it. How silly of me RoryF 11:26, 28 June 2014 (EDT)


American teenager allegedly beaten by Israeli police Is Israel really a true friend? --Kennywillis 21:37, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

Israeli police dispute the story and the video. Perhaps more clarifications will emerge in the news.--Andy Schlafly 21:47, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
Honestly, I lost respect for both sides. --Kennywillis 09:33, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

Liberal applies N word to Obama

Isn't this cute? It's the latest in the endless liberal quest to make conservatives look like racists. I see it as a variation on the fake campus racism incidents that Coulter writes about periodically. PeterKa 00:39, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

Our chickens are coming home to roost

It is obvious that Obama is on a tare. This lawless president is punishing America in every way he can. This article tries to explain why. I think it belongs on the main page. Does anyone expect him to put up with a Republican Congress? We'll be lucky if there isn't a coup before Obama's excellent adventure is up. PeterKa 05:09, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

Years ago, we were told that immigrants would, "do the jobs Americans aren't willing to do." Because of Obamacare, all the new jobs are less than 30 hours a week. Yet unemployment is still at 6.1 percent. So the economic logic for increased immigration is gone. Why do we still need immigration reform/amnesty? To "do right by the children," meaning children from Central America the Obamunists have tricked into migrating to the U.S. and jumping the border. These illegal migrants are now languishing in disease-filled concentration camps. Obama is creating human misery that will be used to justify bringing in their families, or at least adults who will pose as family members. To liberals, what matters is that potential voters for the Democratic Party are being imported. PeterKa 20:55, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

"Target just told criminals that law biding citizens"

The phrase "law biding" should be "law-abiding". Perhaps our resident fourth-place spelling bee prize winner can fix it. Thanks, GregG 10:39, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

Heheh. --Kennywillis 11:17, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
There's still a mistake: "abiding" is missing its initial "a". I also miss your previous comments about why you don't shop at Target and boasting that you spelled your newly-coined word "athbesity" correctly. GregG 21:38, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
I decided to cut Target some slack because I see now that they did not ban guns in their store. They merely prefer customers do not carry guns. But as we all know, "The customer is always right!". But after all is said and done, I like other stores better for a variety of reasons. Conservative 22:29, 7 July 2014 (EDT)


Please delete the Category:Lunatics.--JoeyJ 15:07, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

Deleted. Thanks.--Andy Schlafly 17:28, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

Blocking of JohnsonR

Hi, I am following user Conservatives advice to make another account and appeal a ban. The Circumstances. I immediately called out user PetyrB on being a parodist and asked him if he was playing "A Game of Conservapedian Thrones". To cut a long story short I was banned for vandalism by another parodist, James Wilson when all I was trying to do was bring PetyrB to the attention of the administrators, so i therefore appeal my ban. Thanks you.--JohnsonT 09:43, 16 July 2014 (EDT)

Appeal granted.--Andy Schlafly 10:12, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
My thanks.--JohnsonR 11:49, 16 July 2014 (EDT)

Netherlands and Argentina

Isn't it kind of wrong to say that the Netherlands and Argentina couldn't make a goal only because they support same-sex marriage? Same-sex marriage has nothing to do with the fact that they play soccer! It'd be like me saying that the Miss USA for Mississippi could never win because they have the highest obesity rate in America. Just sayin'. Thanks. Atum 12:20, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

"Christian nations are the best in the World Cup again" The German squad of 23 men includes at least three Muslim players (Sami Khedira - Mesut Özil - Shkodran Mustafa). --AugustO 16:00, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
In response to Atum, a nation's culture does affect its competitiveness. Atheistic nations like Britain, for example, are weak at team sports like soccer (football).--Andy Schlafly 19:02, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
A few days ago, you said Christian nations were dominating the top four. Now it appears three of them were godless, gay loving nations. Which is it? --StevenRS 19:45, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
The Netherlands is no longer a Christian nation, and it was defeated by one that is. There is no inconsistency. The results are precisely as expected.--Andy Schlafly 21:12, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
So only two of the final four were Christian? That's a far cry from when you said they were "dominating". Seems like you're moving the goalposts to fit your narrative. --StevenRS 21:21, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
"Moving the goalposts" - that's an expression which I haven't heard in a long time! Three out of the final four are Christian: Germany, Brazil and Argentina. Three out of the final four are same-sex marriage nations: Brazil, Argentina, and the Netherlands.--Andy Schlafly 21:53, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

Also, you said Argentina was a gay loving nation. So they are both Christian and pro gay? I guess a Christian, pro gay country is better at soccer than atheist pro gay countries, but both are worse than Christian anti gay countries? I'm just trying to get your theories straight. --StevenRS 21:24, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

I get annoyed when people blatantly say that the folks at Fox News are stupid rednecks or something like that, but the fact that you're saying some un-sourced fact that probably came from a Christian-biased website is pure ridiculousness. When I think of Conservapedia, I think of a site that doesn't have Liberal bias, not "The Christian Wiki"; I came here because it's Conservative, not Christian. I want to help with automotive articles, musical artists, etc, but if y'all keep throwing outrageous statements like this into the open, I don't know what to do. I read YoungCons and Libtard Show, and none of those are as "wow, bias" as some of the stuff on here. I love the idea of this project and support it, Mr. Schlafly, but some of this stuff is too far. Not every "Republican" is "religious", me as an example. Atum 19:55, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

See the results of research reported in a journal: Sports performance: Religious faith vs. atheism. Conservative 20:01, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
Is Germany really a Christian nation? According to various reports I've read, it is one of the least religious nations in the world. Though it's a difficult thing to measure terribly accurately, I've seen them ranked in the top 20 least religious, and sometimes the top 10. Most western European nations, in fact, rank highest in terms of numbers of atheists and agnostics. If being Christian and anti-gay are key to sports domination, the final 4 in this year's World Cup seem among the least likely to have done well, with 3 having legal gay marriage, and 2 having high numbers of non-religious. Should Russia and some other Eastern European nations have been dominant? GarethN 11:12, 13 July 2014 (EDT)
The Blaze, which I would think would be a reliable source by this site's standards, has Germany tied for the #5 most atheistic nation in the world, beating out The Netherlands by 1% (within the margin of error, sure, but still), and the UK, which didn't make the top 10. How are they a Christian nation? GarethN 11:23, 13 July 2014 (EDT)
Germany is majority Christian.--Andy Schlafly 13:58, 13 July 2014 (EDT)
Hardly, if at all. Wikipedia has them at 50% Christian. The Blaze has them at 51% identifying with any religion, and with that figure including Muslims, Jews, and others, it's clear that's less than 50% Christian. The UK, by comparison, is closer to 60% Christian. Is 50% the turning point at which a nation becomes poor at sports? Why are the few nations with legal gay marriage or high numbers of atheists doing so well? GarethN 17:35, 13 July 2014 (EDT)
Germany has a cultural legacy of the Protestant work ethic and they are executing with Germanic efficiency their 14 year plan focused on world soccer domination.[11] Germany wins fourth World Cup title by beating left leaning Argentina, 1-0.[12] Conservative 20:16, 13 July 2014 (EDT)
  • Germany is 64 percent Christian, according to the 2011 census.((24.87+24.55+0.71+1.05)/80.22)[13] PeterKa 22:09, 13 July 2014 (EDT)
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