Usman Bello article
This is not a frauster article. Why do you want to remove it?
- Last warning: post quality entries or your account will be blocked. After you post some quality entries, then we can discuss your "Usman Bello" story you want so much to post. Thank you.--Aschlafly 11:27, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- "Usman Bello" is one of the many fraud letters  originating from Nigeria by different authors, all with the intent of stealing money from whomever is dumb enough to respond. While internet fraud is a worthy topic for an article here, and this Nigerian internet scam a sub-topic within, "Usman Bello" just isn't a stand-alone article by itself. Karajou 12:20, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
World famous scholar likely to denounce Wikipedia as unscholarly and engaging in absurdity plus.....
I believe a world famous scholar will be likely denouncing Wikipedia as being unscholarly and engaging in absurdity. In addition, I also believe that a fairly well known author will be doing likewise. Also, if I am not mistaken St. Thomas More once stated the following: "The Devil, the proud spirit, cannot endure to be mocked." While Wikipedia is not the devil I do think there are quite a large number of those who are quite proud at Wikipedia. Consequently, in light of St. Thomas More's statement, I propose we start a new article entitled Examples of Absurdities at Wikipedia. I believe I have some great examples we can use.
I also have some other ideas which I believe may be quite helpful but I do not wish to disclose them here as I do not wish to reveal some of the best ideas. I will be sending you a email regarding this matter shortly. I know it may be a lofty goal but my goal is to get Conservapedia to experience shortly the Alexa traffic it had around March 1, 2007 when it had according to Alexa .02 percent of the global internet traffic. I got some great ideas last night and I found it hard to get to sleep! I am not sure how long the spike of traffic will last but it will be fun to try to keep it going! I do think that as our content increases that our web traffic will go up, however.Conservative 12:35, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- Andy, my email took a little longer than I expected to get out to you but I did finish it and send it to you. Conservative
- We'd welcome an entry on Examples of Absurdities at Wikipedia. But there are so many examples, how do you pick the best?! Godspeed.--Aschlafly 14:17, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- Andy, perhaps you may need to revise the conciseness rule on articles or have the article be a reasonable exception to the rule. :) By the way, did you get my email yet? Conservative 14:23, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
May I move this George Orwell deceit quote from the left side of the main page to top right side of the page right under breaking news? This way here the Examples of Bias in Wikipedia article will be seen when people click on our main page. Right now the Orwell/Deceit quote pushes the Examples of Bias in Wikipedia down so people cannot immediately see it and they have to scroll down. I have an idea if we go forward with my publicity ideas that this article will get a lot of traffic and I want to maximize this traffic. And our breaking news gives conservative news organzation sources (NewsMax etc.)so the Orwell/deceit quote would not at all be inappropriate there. Conservative 16:06, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- Perhaps remembering who and what we are, and following your ideas, Conservative, the Bible Quote shouldn't be crowded completely off the page? If anything is going to be non-scrollable, that should be it. Maximizing traffic, while giving less prominence to the Word of God and the educational history quotes, seems a bit odd for a educational, Christian-friendly encyclopedia to me. But I could be wrong. --şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 17:02, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- The George Orwell quote on the Main Page is priceless, but it's been there long enough. You can delete it, User:Conservative. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 17:03, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- TK, the popular articles at Conservapedia features an article on Jesus Christ and a Biblical issue so I don't think it is a big issue. However, you do make a point so I added the excellent Bible article that Karajou put together (if memory serves) in the "popular articles at Conservapedia" section. Conservative 17:16, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Mr. Schlafly, I did one hundred, fourty two working links on the second lecture for American Government and I did the questions on the homework How many points does that come out to all together?--JessicaS 12:09, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
- I was wondering: Do repeat links count for points? For examples, Bill of Rights is a link in the lecture twelve times. Does that earn twenty-four points, or just two? ~ SharonTalk 13:55, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
- I think repeat links would be worth just one point, but initial links the full two. I'll estimate Jessica's total on that basis and post it soon. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 18:34, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
I have some free time for a few days but going to be busy and....
Andy, I do have some free time for a few days but going to be busy after that so I was hoping I could get a start on the publicity efforts I included in the email. But I want to get your feedback before I proceed so I am not wasting my time. I have 6 hours free tonight so I was hoping to get started now. You feedback to the email via email would be appreciated as I expect to be very busy soon. By the way, if the world famous scholar does come out against Wikipedia and mention their unscholarliness/absurdness I would love to see people try to cite his/her opinion on Wikipedia in the scholars article at Wikipedia. And then document the Wikipedians censor the scholars article. Again, I would appreciate feedback from my email as soon as it is convenient for you. Conservative 17:37, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- Nobody relies on Wikipedia, because it's inherently untrustworthy. There is no fact-checking procedure. Everything is done "by consensus"; see mob rule.
- At best, it gives you a headstart on your research, but you STILL have to check everything yourself. You simply never know whether some spurious factoid has been inserted as a joke. (The idea that "many eyeballs" will find all the errors has already been disproved.) --Ed Poor Talk 17:42, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- Ed I appreciate your help and if Andy gives me the go ahead I will send you a email regarding some of the things that would be associated with what would be done. If memory serves I have a 5 phase plan and I think all 5 phases could be done easily. Conservative 17:45, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
another quick question
I appreciate your quick feedback regarding the one issue. However, I need to get your ok for the 2 other issues because they are related to the first issue you approved. I sent you another email. Again, I politely ask that you get back to me as soon as it is convenient to you as I foresee being busy soon and I wanted to act on this now while I have some free time. And again, I do have other ideas and will spend additional time on those ideas as well. Conservative 18:06, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Andy, I sent you several pieces of information regarding the very conservative nature of both individuals. They are both dyed in wool conservatives. I got your email before I made the proposed changes to the article in question. It will save us a lot of additional research and the changes are very minor and do not go into the substance of the main issues in qeustion. Your feedback would be much appreciated. Conservative 18:36, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Question About Government Homework
Mr Schlafly, in question 4 of the government homework you ask us to "Explain what you think is the single most important clause of the Constitution, and why." Does this include the Amendments to the Constitution, or do we have to choose from the main text? Thanks! PhilipB 20:57, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
- I'd prefer you to choose from the main text, as we haven't covered the Amendments yet. But I'll give full credit if you'd like to choose from the Amendments. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 21:25, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Hey Mr. Schlafly, I am doing my homework and Sharon an I were both wonder what you mean by, "Draft a simple law to take away an issue of your choice from the Courts." Thanks! --BethTalk2ME 15:48, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
- That's a very challenging question, Beth. An example would be a law that takes away jurisdiction from the courts over the saying of the Pledge of Allegiance in schools. Laws are not easy to write, but please see what you can draft anyway.--Aschlafly 22:16, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Masterbratac brought up a good point. He asked why the Contest page was not Conservapedia:Contest. I agree with him. Anyone coming onto Conservapedia to look up what a contest is would come up with our contest page. I think this is a problem and would like to get your opinion on it. Thanks!--BethTalk2ME 16:08, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
- Good point, Beth, but I don't want to create confusion right now. Let's revisit this suggestion later. Also, I'm not sure Masterbratac's suggestion is in earnest.--Aschlafly 22:16, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
- While you're at it, could you add in a Criticism section that doesn't rant against liberals? There is bipartisan criticism from all parts of the political spectrum, so there needs to be a reasonably large Criticism section. Pragmatically, people are teasing Conservapedia about the blatantly biased Bush article. - PostoStudanto 17:57, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
- There was something to what he says, but was also a vandal and troll. I wished him Godspeed! --şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 19:45, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Greetings, Mr. Schlafly,
My family and I may, in fact, move to New York reasonably soon. I'm interested in the average SAT score of the students who attend your classes. Thanks, SimonA 22:11, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
- Average scores from recent courses:
- SAT II World History - 750 out of 800
- CLEP exam on Western Civilization - 100% pass rate
- CLEP exam on Microeconomics - 100% pass rate
- AP exams on World History and Microeconomics - average of a perfect 5 out of 5
- We've been blessed with very motivated students. Hope you and others can join us!--Aschlafly 22:16, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
- I'm impressed. What about the SAT I, which is my primary concern? I'm more of a math guy :). --SimonA 22:22, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Hello?… --SimonA 21:32, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
- SimonA, your last 15 postings have been talk, talk, talk. Maybe a liberal website would be a better home for you, because they love that stuff. In contrast, we're here to teach and learn. Please be substantive here or go to an Oprah Winfrey studio audience instead. Thanks and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 14:11, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Thought you might be interested
Being a member of the legal community, I thought you might be intested in this article: Christian Legal Apologetics. Any input you wish to make to the article would be most appreciated. I added some of the content of this article to the Atheism article as Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a famous case of an atheist becoming a theist. Conservative 22:47, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Sir: Was just wondering if you had plans to make a determination on Aziraphale's arbitration recommendations from a couple weeks back? Ungtss 07:04, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
- You might want to check the latest archive, I know Andy posted about it. --şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 13:03, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
- The last response I see is "Thanks much to Aziraphale for his fine efforts to arbitrate this. I hoped to have an answer by now, but unfortunately our course in Conservapedia:American Government 101 starts tomorrow (Thursday) and I've had to work further to prepare the materials. I will continue to review the comments and efforts above and take some more time to resolve this. Thanks and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 18:04, 12 September 2007 (EDT)"
- I suspect, given that the page is now archived, that Ungtss was just making sure that out of sight doesn't = out of mind. Andy is quite busy, after all. :) Aziraphale 15:33, 20 September 2007 (EDT) <-elbow room, elbow room...
- It's also possible that if the participants on the page are working together better, that Andy may just let it go. I'd imagine he prefers results and if everyone airing their thoughts and your summary helped to loosen a bottleneck, then that is what was desired from the start. Learn together 02:19, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- "And while I'm at it, I'd like a pony." -Susie Derkins Aziraphale 02:41, 21 September 2007 (EDT) <-sticks to the classics...
- It's also possible that if the participants on the page are working together better -- I don't know that that's happened. The page is still protected and being edited exclusively by User:Conservative, none of the issues raised in the mediation have been resolved on the page, and we don't know, philosophically, whether Mr. Schlafly wants the page to look like it does now, or to strike a more objective, balanced tone. If Mr. Schlafly wants all the pages of his wiki to look as one-sided and frightened-of-the-other-side as this one, that's fine -- I'll leave this wiki and move on to other pursuits. However, if he's interested in having a wiki that takes the time to accurately reflect facts in a fair and balanced way that doesn't make us as conservatives come off as bigoted and ignorant, then I'd like to stick around and work with him and others toward that end. Ungtss 19:02, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- Sir: it's been another week. Aziraphale and I put some effort into that arbitration, hoping that, in good faith, you'd keep your word and make a decision. That was about a month ago now. I'm not asking for much. A simple, "Conservative is right -- atheism IS caused by moral depravity; I like the way he protects articles, reverts everybody else and writes them himself, because he's right and you, Ungtss, are a liberal and not welcome here" will suffice. If you want your wiki's description of atheism to be built in user:conservative's image, please let the rest of us know, as you promised to do. Thanks. Ungtss 08:43, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Mr Aschlafly, I am now home and recuperating well. I have posted a thank-you to everyone on my userpage. I am grateful for all the moral support and prayers that you and your fellow Conservapedians have given me. I am honored to have been featured on the main page but think that these kind thoughts may now be removed to make way for more important topics. Owing to injuries to my hand and a forthcoming vacation I am not able to make significant editing contributions, although I can still manage a mouse. I hope to return to full-time editing in November. Bless you all. BrianCo 19:39, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
A statement I need you to know about
Hi there, Aschlafly. I am Soxrock, a user you recently blocked, and I want you to tell me if I am legally allowed to edit here? Looking at this from your log:
14:26, 14 September 2007 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) blocked "RichardR (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (use only one account, OK?)
It kind of makes me wonder if I am actually allowed here if I stick to this account. Thanks so much and keep up the good work. TheUltimateYankeeFan 20:44, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
16:26, 13 September 2007, Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block) blocked Soxrock (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (bye)
Well, I thought originally that it was a "political" wiki, so I went with a political name. However, when I found out it's a "trustworthy" version of Wikipedia, I went with my regular name online, Soxrock. However, both were blocked because it violated a policy I was not yet aware of. In fact, I found out about the policy and was wondering what to do until I noticed the original block. Honestly, I am content with this account, I just wanted to see if I am legally "allowed" to edit. TheUltimateYankeeFan 07:29, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- Editing is allowed, please see the welcome message I placed on your talk page. Editing is shut off for a few hours very late at night until early morning, East Coast Time. Just remember we are a Conservative and Christian -friendly encyclopedia! Thanks for checking on this and allowing us to clarify. --şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 07:37, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Legal opinion of hate crime law's effect on Christianity
- Looks great to me! Godspeed.--Aschlafly 14:11, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
May I have permission to run a bot to archive talk pages, and only archive talk pages? Thanks. --Communist 17:19, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- Communist, I have blocked your name, but not your IP. Please come back with a different name. Thanks. DanH 17:21, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- Is "Geek" acceptable? Hey, I'm running a bit low on imagination… :). --Geek 17:25, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Beginning in 1950, United States Senator Joseph McCarthy became the most visible public figure to stand up to Communist infiltration of the United States. Learn what Wikipedia does not inform you about the vast Communist conspiracy that almost undermined the United States Government!
shouldn't this read "eventually undermined"....or am i being too cynical...--Wally 12:37, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
- Ha ha ha. Yes, that's too cynical. :-) Godspeed.--Aschlafly 15:30, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
I put a posting on the talk page of the Main page for Conservapedia and it is located HERE or HERE Any feedback you could offer me would be much appreciated. Conservative 17:15, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
- That's fantastic! We're going to win this time, Lord willing!!!--Aschlafly 16:09, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
I don't quite understand how the point system works so if you could please explain so i can keep a record of the point I get i would be much obliged. I would ask Sharon but for some reason I can't posto n her usertalk page KTB 18:32, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
- Basically, the points are 10 for a quality new entry, 6 for any new entry, 4 for a quality edit, and 2 for any edit. Single points are easy to earn by un-deadending pages. Let's get ready to win this!!!! Godspeed.--Aschlafly 20:00, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
- Are we expanding the team rosters to eight?--Tash 20:08, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
- You had 8 already, including Ed Poor. We were simply matching your number of 8, if that's OK with you.--Aschlafly 21:07, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
- We'll cap the contributions by our 8th player then, but I would like to keep him on the team. Thanks for allowing it. Feel free to add a player at any time. We'll start at noon.--Aschlafly 21:54, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
- would it be ok if I asked Hoji to join our team?--Tash 21:57, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
- Sure!--Aschlafly 21:58, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
I suggest each team captain take responsibility for coaching players about claiming point credit. Last time, I was so busy contributing that I didn't count anything I did. Tash, can you help me along until I form the "credit claiming habit?" --Ed Poor Talk 10:30, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
- Sure, I'll just go through you're edits each night and add up the point total. Question, does a adding a (public domain) photo to a article count for any points?--Tash 17:07, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
- Yes, adding a photo is a significant improvement. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 17:34, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
- Adding a photo is a quality edit worth the full 4 points. In Christ,--Aschlafly 17:41, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
- Question from Ed Poor: What is the scoring systems guidelines regarding the entry of public domain writings?--Tash 20:50, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
- The scoring system is the same, but wholesale copying of lengthy material is discouraged. Copying of public domain material works better for short, definitional types of entries.--Aschlafly 20:52, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Hi Andy, we seem to have some confusion. Could you please tell us is an undeadended worth 1 point (just the bonus) or 3 points (minor edit + bonus)? If it's one point and more than 1 wikilink is added, does it then become 3 points? Thanks! Learn together 22:05, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
- There are some judgment calls in the point awards, hopefully not large enough to cause an overall difference. I've been giving myself 1 point for simply fixing a deadend (undeadend), even if it includes adding more than one link. If there are many links added or any text added, then it should become an improvement, and 3 points would be sensible. Thanks.--Aschlafly 22:54, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
- Thank you, I'll score according to what you've said. Learn together 03:58, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
so where in the world do we post our homework....
--Wally 12:10, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
- Create a new entry called American Government Homework One Answers, or as the case may be, with the questions and your answers. Run spellcheck on your work before posting, please. In Christ,--Aschlafly 12:42, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
did you mean to do something like this?
- Yes. Perfect placement. Your first answer is wrong, however. Please try again by editing the document. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 21:06, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
Hey Mr. Schlafly - I was wondering if you would give me upload rights temporarily (which I'll probably starting using in an hour or two) for a contest related thing. Given my ability to search through source code I can easily tell if a pic is in the public domain or not - and I also know the fair use policy fairly well. Thanks for the time either way, --IDuan 17:41, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- Done as requested. Iduan, you now have upload rights. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 18:09, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
Mr Schlafly I hate to ask you this after you gave me upload rights - but could you give me temporary night rights? It'd be just for tonight so I can show TK how to do stuff with templates (I would show him now - but he's a bit busy). Thank you very much for your patience and time regardless of what you decide, --IDuan 00:25, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
- Sorry, can't do it tonight. Get some rest and I'll see you back on the site tomorrow! Take care and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 00:31, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
It looks like you have scored a large number points today. If you have time, could you please total them up so that they can be added to our team's score? Thank you, ~ SharonTalk 19:43, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- 1 point, I think. Thanks.--Aschlafly 14:19, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
Exciting news in relation to Conservpedia's potential future growth
Andy, I just found some encouraging news in relation to Conservpedia's future growth. First, a 1998 Gallup poll stated the Christian evangelicals made up 39% of the USA population. And as you know Christian evangelicals are generally conservative. Secondly, according to PBS it turns out that currently these Christian evangelicals are integrated professionally and educationally into mainstream America.
Secondly, as you know Conservapedia gets a fair share of international readers. Here is some more good news: There were just 45 million born again Christians in the world in 1980 (James RutZ's book Mega Shift, page 45). There are now over 700 million born again Christians in the world and they are growing at a rate of 8% a year and have been doing so for a long time.  Most of the growth has been happening in the non western world. Perhaps, we will decide to have a Spanish and other related Conservapedia wikis!
Now it seems like a lot of the growth of conservative Christianity has occured in the home church movement where people have church services in their homes. These home church people believe in staying connected to the rest of Christendom through social networks and believe that interactive church meetings where the church members actively participate in the church services (rather than the pastor doing most of the work). I am going to contact these people and tell them about Conservapedia because what is a better way to stay connected and have a interactive environment than a conservative wiki. I will start with getting ahold of James Rutz. If these people decide to get involved in Conservapedia our Christianity related articles should gain more content and we should also gain more content in our home church movement related articles of which we currently have none! I would also think these people have general interests too like dogs, cars, trains, politics, etc. and they could contribute to these articles as well. Conservative 18:57, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
Fortunately, I still have a few friends over there who have my user talk page on their watchlist. So I was unblocked moments after I posted about it. So it's not a problem, but maybe it's indicative of the free-wheeling nature of things over there. The person who blocked me didn't apologize, for one thing. --Ed Poor Talk 19:00, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
- Another blocker just beat me too it! Thanks much, Greg, for your great efforts.--Aschlafly 20:01, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
We should make a page, similar to the "bias in Wikipedia" page, about liberal hype of supposed environmental problems. We could start with asbestos and the asbestos abatement craze. We could mention the DDT ban which killed millions more people than all the nuclear bombs and accidents combined (due to letting poor Africans die from mosquito-borne malaria infection). Don't forget the alar scare which hurt the apple industry. The list goes on endlessly. Elizabeth Whelan may be a good source for more info. --Ed Poor Talk 22:24, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
- According to the article on the Hindenburg fire, and the article on the nuclear meltdown, 50 people died in the Meltdown, 35 died in the zeppelin crash. I suspect that the (larger) numbers may include people who died from the fall out, which, I'm sure you know, could travel a very long way.
- Also, unless I've very much mistaken, the banning of Asbestos was an issue related to Health, not the environment issue. Which, of course, means it has no place on such a page. --Mircofixit 22:41, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
- That's a subtle distinction. Perhaps a difference without meaning.
- Ed, you're right on target. It gave me an idea: a new entry called Liberal Hysteria or perhaps liberal hype.--Aschlafly 00:08, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
I sent you a private email
I sent you a private email about something that may be going on now concerning Conservapedia that I thought you would want to know about now. Conservative 23:09, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
Amazing hoax pulled on Wikipedia/ Wikimedia Foundation!
- Thanks much! Posting now ...--Aschlafly 14:29, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
- Oh wow, that's hilarious! Greg 17:04, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
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Mr. Schlafly, Where should I post questions about this week's homework? Thanks, PhilipB 22:52, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
- This is a good place for now.--Aschlafly 23:16, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
Ok. I am having some trouble with question 9:
- 9. As discussed in class, the hate crimes bill did pass the U.S. Senate by a vote of 60-39. Describe the significance of the fact that 60 senators support the bill. Hint: mention cloture and presidential veto.
The problem is that I don't remember what was said about this in class and I failed to take adequate notes. Can you tell me what was mentioned in class about this? Thanks! PhilipB 23:20, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
- Look up cloture here, and then think about how many votes are needed to override a presidential veto, which I see we still need an entry for!
To veto it, the Pres would have to veto the military spending bill, though... so... do you really think it's going to be vetoed?-MichaelS 23:34, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
- That's the trick Ted Kennedy is trying to pull. But it's unclear if the hate crimes bill will really be attached to the spending bill, because the House did not pass it that way.--Aschlafly 23:45, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
How do the chambers resolve something like this? -MichaelS 23:50, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
- Good question. I'll try to find out. My guess is that the House, as the originator of the bill and generally the more powerful of the two chambers with respect to legislation, has the final say.--Aschlafly 00:19, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
- Not exactly. Since the House and Senate have passed different versions of the same bill, the bill will be turned over to a committee consisting of both Senators and Congressmen that will reconcile the two versions of the bill, and then both the House and Senate will need to take a new vote on the compromise bill that emerges from the committee. SSchultz 00:30, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
- My understanding is that the bill is identical in what passed the House and Senate, and that there are not two versions to reconcile. It's ready to go to the White House, I think.--Aschlafly 00:35, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
(I decided to do the extra credit question, and switch the answer on one of my other questions...you will be getting the newer version soon). But I have a question about the extra credit question...I'm not sure exactly where in the Constitution I can find something that either does or doesn't support the question...any help would be welcomed! DeborahB. 09:51, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
I have some very urgent and Extremely exciting news
I have some very urgent and Extremely exciting news. It is the most exciting news I have heard since being involved in Conservapedia as it involves conservatives knowing about us and not the liberals that the LA Times largely brought. I think everything will go down tomorrow and I need some help. I sent you a private email. Please look at it as soon as possible. Conservative 17:20, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
It's clear that you don't like Richard Dawkins, but it's going too far to describe his professorship as misleading or fraudulent. I'm sure you wouldn't want your personal animosity to get it the way of producing an accurate article, so I have copied below two posts from the Main Page talk page that you must have overlooked. --Jalapeno 23:47, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
- He was appointed "reader" at Oxford in 1990, which is similar to US tenure. His "museum" job, while created with the intention that he be the first one to hold the post, is actually explicitly designed for "a scientist of distinction in their field of expertise." The position is essentially a teacher who can work through mass media, which is what Dawkins has proven effective at; he is not just some tour guide. You keep saying he didn't earn a degree in biology, despite his study of zoology and extensive work on evolution. His credentials easily exceed the requirements of being an evolutionary biologist (including working on evolution-related topics with Encarta and the Encyclopedia of Evolution). At best you're nit-picking, and at worst you're just lying.ConserveATory 20:19, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
- The title of professor in England is not awarded in the same way as in the USA -- it is usually only given to holders of specific positions ('chairs') and many prominent academics have not received the title 'professor' because there was no suitable vacant chair. Chairs fall into three categories: (1) Departmental chairs, which typically carry a heavy administrative burden. (2) Chairs founded by endowment, such as the Lucasian chair currently occupied by Stephen Hawking. (3) Personal chairs designed to last for the tenure of one person only. Dawkins' professorship falls into the second category, a type of professorship has been in operation for more than 500 years and has not stopped Oxford from producing 47 Nobel prize winners. Dawkins' chair is based at the Oxford Museum of Natural History (which is part of Oxford University) but his academic work is within the Evolution group in the Zoology department. I hope this helps in fixing the inaccuracies in the story. --Jalapeno 00:34, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
- I wonder if anyone has ever won a Nobel Prize in the field of evobabble. If anyone could win a prize in evobabble Dawkins would be the man. Conservative 23:55, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
- Jalapeno and ConserveATory, either you've also been duped by Richard Dawkins, or you hope to dupe others here. Regardless, the entry here about him is correct and you identify no errors in it.
- Richard Dawkins has never obtained tenure on any faculty. Instead, a wealthy atheist created a position just for him at a museum, not in a faculty department. The position is no more a "professorship" than a permanent museum curator position would be. Oxford University happens to own the museum. Dawkins' claim that he is a (faculty) professor at Oxford University is apparently false and, in my opinion, a fraud. Millions are mislead to think that Oxford University granted Dawkins tenure, when in fact a wealthy donor merely gave him an endowed job at a museum.--Aschlafly 00:06, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
- Dawkins holds the Simonyi chair at Oxford University, and was appointed to that position by the University. As I explained above, in England the title of professor is attached to a position rather than a person. He holds a chair, therefore he is a professor. Dawkins had the English equivalent of the US 'tenure', i.e. a permanent position, long before he became a professor. The position of reader that he held before taking the Simonyi chair is roughly equivalent to the US rank of full professor. Someone would be misled only if they made the faulty assumption that the rest of the world uses the US system of academic ranks. --Jalapeno 12:32, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
- All talk and few positive, substantial edits, can lead users here to think you two are using Deceit. Please help us continue to build this rapidly growing encyclopedia! --şŷŝôρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 00:17, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
- I consider it the height of rudeness to impugn someone's honesty without good cause. If you take the trouble to review my edits you will see that they have all been in the service of trying to improve this wiki, and I believe I have behaved with civility throughout. I would appreciate it if this were reciprocated. --Jalapeno 12:32, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
- You provide no evidence that Dawkins was given tenure by any faculty department. Instead, the evidence plainly indicates that a wealthy atheist gave him a position at a museum, which is then misleading called a "professorship". Positions at museums are not professorships.
- Dawkins does not hold the position of "professor" at the University of Oxford in a faculty department, as his resume implies. Instead, he holds a job at a museum owned by the University. What's next, a "professorship" label for others working for institutions owned by the University? How about a janitorial "professorship" under your logic?--Aschlafly 12:49, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Gay Bowel Syndrome
Andy, what is your opinion of the Gay Bowel Syndrome article? It seems as though several contributors and sysops believe it to be a non-family friendly entry on par with others that you have had deleted in the past. What are your thoughts? SSchultz 21:59, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
- We've allowed presentations on diseases in the past. A big issue for us last spring was the HPV Vaccine, for example. I don't see anything non-family friendly about describing and warning against disease. Often we support presentations to teenagers about the awful sexually transmitted diseases.
- The liberal opposition to disclosing the diseases that befall people who adopt liberal lifestyles is fascinating in itself. One thing I've learned from this project is how much censorship is demanded by liberals. Don't they support free speech??? Godspeed.--Aschlafly 23:10, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
- Well, I certainly respect your take on it, and as the owner of the site you have the right to sanction any articles herein. I wonder if the article could be toned down some, with talk about homosexual sex and anal fissures it's not very family friendly. SSchultz 23:52, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
- I'm expressing the consensus of all conservative parents, not merely my personal view. Teaching about sexually transmitted diseases is family friendly. Teaching kids about the horrors of lung cancer, for example, is not going to cause anyone to take up smoking. I once had a physician talk about sexually transmitted diseases to a large group of teenagers and parents, and she didn't pull any punches. There was not a single complaint ... although I wouldn't expect liberals or people who profit from abortion to be pleased by that.--Aschlafly 00:04, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
Andy, with respect you shouldn't have reverted the fact that Dawkins is an FRS. He certainly is, it certainly is considered an extremely high honour, and so is relevant to any discussion of his credentials. If you believe the Royal Society is politicised then you need to cite sources that demonstrate it, not just delete all mention of it.
More broadly, I think your approach to the Dawkins article is misguided. I don't much care for his views, or the way he expresses them, or the way he denegrates his opponents. But I don't much care for the way you denegrate your opponents either - you are bringing yourself down to his level. You do this site absolutely no favours whatsoever by making up mistaken claims about the veracity of his professorship, or by removing factual information about his credentials such as the fact that the highest scientific honour available in Britain has been bestowed upon him. Why must you make out that anyone who holds different views to you is some sort of charlatan? Attack his views, point out the flaws in his character, but don't be tricky with the truth.
- On this subject, I saw on the news tonight that Dawkins debated a Biblical scholar in Alabama very recently...--şŷŝôρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 01:37, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- Thanks TK. I didn't see that, but I'll make a wager. If the scholar got the better of him, it would not have been by making bogus claims about his credentials. It would have been by sticking to the argument rather than attacking the man. That is what we should do also, surely? -- Ferret Nice old chat 06:00, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- OK, missed that. I would question whether a scientific institution taking a position on a scientific matter which others have chosen to politicise means that the institution itself is politicised, but I'll leave that point because I realise there's a fairly shaky house of cards in other articles that depends on the idea.
- In as much as Oxford supports his 'claim' to a professorship perhaps it would be better to alter the article to point out his position is not a typical teaching position since you feel compelled to make some distinction. This would be accurate. As it stands nor the article is deceitful; this perhaps is a good example for the absent conservative deceit page here. Or is lying OK when you do it for a 'good' reason? Maybe that should be the content of the article: Good lies told by conservatives for good reasons. This would firm up your definition and end debate on your hypocrisy, no? lies by liberals are bad. Lies by conservative are good. problem solved. RonWall 10:38, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- Aschlafly, I've commented on this at the Richard Dawkins talk page, but to restate my point here, Dawkins is a professor at Oxford University. There is absolutely nothing unusual in his endowed chair. There are many professors at Oxford, and other universities (both in the UK and the US) who hold endowed chairs, in a tradition of academic funding that dates back several centuries. It is true that Dawkins chair is within the natural history museum, but it is still within the University of Oxford, and has absolutely equal status with any other endowed Professorial chair within the university. The chair is endowed for the 'Public Understanding of Science'. There is nothing misleading about Dawkins official resume in this regard. Prior to taking the post he was a Reader within the Zoology department for five years - a position equivalent to that of a tenured Associate Professor in the US. Hope this clears up any confusion. --OurMike 11:36, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- Mr Schlafly, I urge you not to persist in this folly. That Richard Dawkins is a professor at Oxford is an objective fact that has been explained to you by myself and several others. That his professorship is entirely in accord with the traditions of British academia has also been explained to you, but if it helps you to see this more clearly you should note that C.S. Lewis had a professorship created for him in the same way. He is, uniquely, a fellow of both the Royal Society and the Royal Society for Literature. I disagree with his views on religion but I must recognise that his academic work, particularly on the limits of the phenotype, is of some importance and that he has a talent for communicating complex scientific ideas. I hope that on reflection you can see that it is possible to vehemently disagree with someone whilst simultaneously acknowledging their achievements and talents. --Jalapeno 12:16, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- Richard Dawkins holds a position at an institution, which his supporters call a "professorship" in an unconventional use of the term, and the institution is a museum, not a faculty department. Don't you think is resume should reflect where he holds the "professorship"?--Aschlafly 14:07, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- As far as I know you are the first person to call his position anything other than a professorship. It is perhaps understandable that someone who only has knowledge of the US academic system might have difficulty in understanding that something that may be unconventional in the USA is perfectly normal in the UK, but it has been explained to you several times by British editors. You do need to give up the fixation with where his office is located, not least because at Oxford academic staff 'belong' to the college of which they are fellows more than they 'belong' to any departmental group. The idea that Richard Dawkins is being deceptive by not putting the location of his office on his CV is ludicrous; Next to his CV is a link that describes in detail the nature of the Simonyi chair. As it stands the article looks like a cheap personal attack and it reflects badly on this site. --Jalapeno 17:37, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- Dawkins claims to be a professor at Oxford University. Oxford University confirms that he is, indeed, one of their professors, as it states in its own calendar. His resume is, therefore, absolutely truthful. OurMike 07:26, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
- Blah blah blah Ourmike. Change the record. Boru 07:30, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
An' foolish notion.
(Robert Burns) --Jalapeno 16:26, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree :
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round :
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree ;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
But oh ! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover !
A savage place ! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced :
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail :
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean :
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war !
The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves ;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves.
It was a miracle of rare device,
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice !
A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw :
It was an Abyssinian maid,
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Mount Abora.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight 'twould win me,
That with music loud and long,
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome ! those caves of ice !
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware ! Beware !
His flashing eyes, his floating hair !
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.
Please remove my content
Please? I've asked you in pmail and on the pages. Content like the template:discrimlaw series and the Augustus Caesar article, which you can revert to the way it was before I edited it.-MichaelS 19:31, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- MichaelS, your request is unreasonable and even absurd. Others, including myself, have edited those articles that you now seek to delete. The conditions of submission to this wiki (like other wikis) are very clear: "By contributing information to Conservapedia, you irrevocably consent to the display, copying, reuse or editing of your information, edits and entries, with or without attribution." See Conservapedia:Copyrights No wiki could function without that condition.
- Try your request on Wikipedia and you'll likely get the same answer.
- No, you can't delete the work of others here, or your own work even if you demonstrated that it was your own work (you haven't). Your current block expires in 2 hours, and if you start removing entries again then you will be blocked indefinitely. Thanks for understanding this, and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 19:50, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
It was definitely my work :-). I made clear to you that this was not an official complaint, of course, it'd just be "nice" of you, since on most articles, I am the only contributor aside from categorizing/spellchecking. You can evaluate the merits of each article, but Romer, Gonzales, and SDP at least should be pulled. Also, your copyright policy was not retroactive. It was imposed on a user class who had not given their assent to its application to prior contributions. You have to assume that those contributions were gratuitous, with copyright retained, since you can't fiat otherwise in good faith. That means that, at least, my contributions to Augustus Caesar should be pulled, based on my still-retained rights. The other articles are more sketchy, but of course, you could just be a nice guy :-).-MichaelS 23:27, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- Yes, but how do we know that MichaelS is AmesG's evil twin brother, or maybe vice-versa. Rob Smith 00:03, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
Obi-Wan Kenobi or Ben Kenobi, a Jedi by any other name would be as awesome.-MichaelS 00:06, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
- Huh? Beleive it or not, I am probably the only person on the planet who successfully to this date has never, ever seen a Star Wars movie, so honsetly, I don't have the vaguest idea what that means (neither do I care, so please, please, spare me an explanation). Rob Smith 00:53, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
- I've had enough. Godspeed to you, MichaelS/Ben Kenobi! Godspeed! --şŷŝôρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 00:15, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
It seems as though I may not upload images to the website. May I ask you to upload flag, coat of arms for use on the article of Saudi Arabia? sallalahu aleyhi wasallam Pearson 20:49, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
- LOL..I think these were already done by Karajou, Beth! --şŷŝôρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 16:59, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
Dear Mr Schlafly. I read with much interest your American Government Lecture One. I felt some trepidation when it came to your advice about drug addiction quoting (Luke 15:11-24). Illegal drugs are higly addictive and dangerous substances and the dangers posed by them should not be downplayed. It takes more than quoting Luke 15:11-24 and advice to them to question their conduct to wean addicts off the substances they are addicted to. Your sentiments can give young minds the impression that drug-taking is a relatively harmless pastime. Put simply, it gives the impression that once a young person has gotten bored with experimenting all they need do is read Luke 15:11-24 and question their conduct and things will be fine. No! Things will not be fine! Breaking an addiction is extremely difficult and most fail. Your advice is naive at best and extremely irresponsible at worst. Godsspeed BenDoune 07:33, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
- Interesting comment. Thanks. I'll consider what you say.--Aschlafly 09:42, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
This Thing Of Darkness
Not sure you saw a comment I made on Dawkins' discussion page so I'm repeating it here.
By the way, you might like to read a beautiful book on the Captain of the Beagle - This Thing Of Darkness. (It's the To The Edge Of The World trilogy on US Amazon but you can buy the original UK edition sold as the original title). It gives a different perspective on Darwin's voyages from the POV of his skipper. It's neither pro- or anti- Darwin as such, although he doesn't get much good PR in it. But it's a beautifully written book on how Captain Fitzroy, a devout, pious and honourable man, used his faith to advance everything he turned his hand to including the invention of modern meteorology. Ajkgordon 13:05, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
- I'd be interested to hear your feedback if you do ever get a chance to read it. Ajkgordon 17:13, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
Hello, Mr. Aschlafly!
I have a petition for you, and I was directed here by a friendly sysop just now.
I was creating havoc earlier today by creating a bunch of "date articles" (IE January 20) before learning that they are not wanted on this website. I was disapointed, but I understand and abide by settled policy.
BUT, then I asked if I could create some "year articles" (IE []). They said they were still against it, but that I could friendly petition you for them. So I wanted to ask what you think. I would do all the dirty work obviously. And I think it would create a kind of timeline within Conservapedia that would be very beneficial to history students. Also, if you are concerned about too many "stub articles", the obvious solution to me is to make the articles by decades, then by centuries as it goes back. (So you don't have a pointless articles all about "1082 AD" and so on.
Well, that is my idea, sir. I am here to help, and think this would be a nice addition to this site. Let me know what you think. Thanks!
Jason 23:46, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
- Jason, I don't have a strong feeling about this, and I'm not sure who objected. I'd suggest you proceed as you think best, but don't create a ton of empty or near-empty pages first before filling them. in. Thanks and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 00:25, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
- Jason it is unfair to waylay Andy with this stuff after checking with a couple of editors, without checking with one of the Admins. He is a busy Lawyer and runs the entire site and cannot be expected to remember minute details. In any event, Andy previously decided we would not follow Wikipedia's custom of wiki-linking all dates. The problem with your suggestion is, once we start something like that, what happens when and if you move on? Who keeps it up? And what do we do with the hundreds, thousands of stub articles? I will keep an open mind as to the year or decade idea. Please contact me on my talk page, or via email and explain in more detail what you have in mind, okay? Thanks! :-) --şŷŝôρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 00:39, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
Hi Aschlafly. Many thanks for your reply on the Dawkins' talk page. I see now the source of your confusion. I've posted an explanation of how Dawkins was appointed to the Professorship which should clear up the misunderstanding. Hopefully we can then remove the factual errors in the article. OurMike 09:38, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
A self-reverting vandal
Hi Mr. Schlafly, I was going through the recent changes list and saw this edit. The user fixed his own vandalism shortly afterwards, however. I thought I'd bring it to your attention even if he did revert himself. Greg 13:50, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
- Well, you have to admit it was pretty funny. Those welfare-state Scandinavians might as well be communists....Grifken 00:06, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
I suspect this user to be the same as users Fredphelpsisamoron and/or AllahuAkbarJihad. The few articles they have edited have overlapped (authoritarianism, Noam Chomsky, Alvaro Uribe). Allahu and Micheal have added the exact same phrase into the Uribe article:   . Also, User:AnonymousLiberal has vandalized the Burma article. Just thought I'd bring this to your attention. Thanks, Greg 16:47, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
Greg, thanks much for your very helpful observations, which we then use to take appropriate action. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 17:32, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
Many scientists are misusing government funding
See http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071003/full/449512a.html. SkipJohnson 13:08, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
- Thanks for the story from Nature magazine, but it doesn't demonstrate misuse of funds. It just demands more bookkeeping and better records, which may not be what we want our best scientists to be spending their time doing.--Aschlafly 00:14, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
Andy I have some exciting news in regards to conservapedia and I would like you to call a reporter. Millions of internet hits possible
Andy I have some exciting news in regards to conservapedia and I would like you to call a reporter. The reporter of a big conservative news organization said he was interested in covering a story if a well known conservative website featured an article of ours. Well the well known conservative website has featured the article of ours and I would like for you to contact the reporter if you could be so kind. I will send you a email shortly. Please contact the reporter as soon as you can. It could mean millions of hits to conservapedia.Conservative 18:36, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
Reporter of large news organization wants you to call him
Andy, a reporter of large news organization wants you to call him. I spoke to him today. I will send you a email shortly about this matter. Conservative 14:15, 16 October 2007 (EDT)