User talk:BertSchlossberg

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Sorry to revert your link addition to Korean Airlines Flight 007; there was already a link to that particular page just above it. Karajou 12:46, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Getting the hang of it. I thought it was because of the different colored print.BertSchlossberg 18:57, 18 December 2007 (EST)Bert SchlossbergBertSchlossberg 18:57, 18 December 2007 (EST)

You're not THE Bert Schlossberg, are you? Karajou 07:19, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Useful links


Hello, BertSchlossberg, and welcome to Conservapedia!

We're glad you are here to edit. We ask that you read our Editor's Guide before you edit.

At the right are some useful links for you. You can include these links on your user page by putting "{{Useful links}}" on the page. Any questions--ask!

Thanks for reading, BertSchlossberg!

Philip J. Rayment 08:32, 19 December 2007 (EST)


You seem to be having a bit of a problem with your signature. All you need to do is type four tildes (~~~~) or click the signature button on the editing toolbar. Philip J. Rayment 09:00, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Suddenly, finally, I got it! I'll try it now. Thanks BertSchlossberg 20:48, 24 December 2007 (EST) works!BertSchlossberg 20:48, 24 December 2007 (EST)


Well, Bert, I didn't read your book yet, but the theory on survivors of KAL 007 is very compelling. If possible, there's room to improve that article, and I would love you to do it. Karajou 10:35, 19 December 2007 (EST)

In a short while, I'll try. Thanks, Karajou! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BertSchlossberg (talk)

I would not love this. If you have a book, please publish it first. I deleted the conspiracy section. If you wish, you can copy it to your userspace, e.g., User:BertSchlossberg/KAL 007 conspiracy. Let me know if you need help with this. --Ed Poor Talk 20:01, 20 December 2007 (EST)
You'd not love what? Him improving the article? Huh? And what makes you think that if he "has a book", he hasn't published it? By the looks of this, he already has. Philip J. Rayment 20:41, 20 December 2007 (EST)
Oop! Sorry, Bert. I guess I should be less hasty. Welcome to Conservapedia, and please accept this correction with my compliments. --Ed Poor Talk 20:45, 20 December 2007 (EST)
Heh, I liked your edit comment[1]. :-) Philip J. Rayment 21:43, 20 December 2007 (EST)

Minor adjustment [2] of your edit to KAL 007, and only to make it fit in with the rest of the article. Karajou 08:04, 21 December 2007 (EST)

And so you did. Thanks, Karajou!

Ed, Don't give a thought to it. You're a man of passion! Thanks for the welcome to Conservapedia.BertSchlossberg 09:42, 21 December 2007 (EST)Bert SchlossbergBertSchlossberg 09:42, 21 December 2007 (EST)


Fixed the entry in question. This is also an article that could use some improvement and expansion; to me it is too brief. Any ideas would be helpful. Karajou 05:30, 21 December 2007 (EST)


It's ok if you want to link to your article, but please keep it relevant to the page and relevant on the page. HelpJazz 17:53, 10 January 2008 (EST)

I noticed your link in Ronald Reagan. That's more along the lines of what's appropriate. I didn't mean to seem heavy-handed; I wouldn't have removed them but I figured you knew best where they should go. HelpJazz 13:07, 12 January 2008 (EST)

You weren't heavy-handed. You were directive and it helped me to get things together. Thanks!BertSchlossberg 16:48, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Interesting edits

Interesting edits. Thanks. By the way, I noticed someone reverted one of your edits and just let me know if you think any reversion was unjustified: User talk:Aschlafly.

Oh, one other thing: you'd be a terrific addition to the list of contestants for our upcoming contest. These are very fun and this will be our fourth. Just add your name to the list here: Conservapedia:Contest4. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 08:45, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Ashlafly, I never thanked you for the commendation and suggestion that I add my name onto the contest. I want to do that now. Maybe, I will for the next contestBertSchlossberg 15:57, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Minor change by PhoenixWright

Hi, Bert. You can click on this "diff link" to see the minor change made by User:PhoenixWright. He only changed the wording of a heading slightly. --Ed Poor Talk 07:31, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Ed, Passed me by no matter how many times I read it!BertSchlossberg 08:04, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Talk responses

Ed, I have a minor question. When I respond to someone like I responded to you above, should I respond on your User talk or mine - as I have done?BertSchlossberg 17:26, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

I'm not Ed, but if you don't mind, I'll give an answer.
There's no requirement either way, but I think responding on the same page is the most common way of doing it, and many editors (including me) actually have a notice at the top of their talk page asking that people do that.
Philip J. Rayment 21:16, 16 March 2008 (EDT)


The Christian section belongs to an article on Christian Exegesis -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 11:29, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Larry McDonald

Any chance you'll be filling this out shortly? Learn together 20:58, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Anybody ready and available to do the article on Larry McDonald?BertSchlossberg 13:20, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Israeli tourism

Nice article, vivid descriptions - I feel like I'm there. :-) --Ed Poor Talk 07:29, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, Ed! BertSchlossberg 11:18, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

KAL shoot down

Once again, thanks. Your summary of the navigation problems shows clearly that KAL 007 simply strayed off course and that the pilots did nothing to merit being shot down. Aren't there internationally accepted procedures (such as forced landing) for handling airspace violation, instead of killing two score dozen innocent people?

Anyway, it shows the inhuman monstrosity of the Soviet government, and perhaps the passengers and crew were martyrs whose sacrifice led to the long-awaited downfall of Soviet communism, which had killed over 60 million people. See, for example the Ukrainian genocide of Josef Stalin.

So much history has yet to be written, maybe because it's simply too painful to remember. You do us all a great service by your writing. Thank you very much. --Ed Poor Talk 06:40, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, again Ed. Yes, there are internationally accepted procedures. They were ignored by Osipovich and his commanders and Osipovich has retracted a number of statements he previously had made that indicated compliance with these procedures. The truth is coming out!BertSchlossberg 07:12, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
Do you have a published book I can buy from --Ed Poor Talk 11:58, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, Ed. The book is Rescue 007: The Untold Story of KAL 007 and its Survivors. Here is the info how the book can be gotten (Also from Amazon) [3]


Hi Bert

Could take a look to this article?: Philosophy.

I am sure you could help a lot improving it. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 14:37, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Will doBert Schlossberg 15:13, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

OK, thanks. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 02:11, 24 May 2008 (EDT)


Thanks for your contributions, Bert. You've been promoted to night editing, blocking powers and upload rights! Congratulations!--Aschlafly 09:41, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

Thank you!


Interesting image, Bert. Where's it from? It would help if you showed the source in the upload file. Thanks and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 18:06, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy, The picture I think that you are referring to is of a Vanya class minehunter, one of the 48 types of Soviet vessels in their "search" operation. It was taken by Paul Soutar, a naval photographer on the U.S. search operations, released by the Navy dept. and permission given to me by Soutar to use as I see fit. The reason I say "think you are referring" is that the picture is no longer in article, and when I tried upload again, I find that the image is "protected". what does that mean anyway?

Do you think the article will be a featured article and if so be up before the Sept 1. anniversary of shootdown?Bert Schlossberg 18:25, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Soviet Union (history)

You may be interested in "filling the blanks" at the bottom of this article on the Soviet Union's history. Karajou 02:35, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Hello, Karajou. I'll look it over soon and see if I can do anything. Thanks for referringBert Schlossberg 06:44, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

"KAL 007 Survivors and the Forced Labor Concentration Camps of the Russian Federation"

Bert, Hello!

How about you give me your idea for a shortened title, okay? Perhaps "KAL-007 Survivors and Gulags of Russia" ? Thanks! --₮K/Admin/Talk 17:18, 1 March 2009 (EST)

DoneBert Schlossberg 01:57, 2 March 2009 (EST)
Thanks! But wouldn't it have been easier for me to move it, with a rename? --₮K/Admin/Talk 02:20, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Yes, just didn't know it could be done that wayBert Schlossberg 04:55, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Well, will do so, so don't be alarmed when you see the new title deleted, I need to do that to move the old one. That will keep all the edit history and talk intact. Yes, I know, sometimes that is a good thing, other times not so much! --₮K/Admin/Talk 06:52, 2 March 2009 (EST)


When you go to upload a photo, you can re-name it to anything that you would like. I have deleted the recent airplane photo because of the inordinately long file name. Whatever is automatically filled into the name box, just shorten it, like "F-15a" or the like. --₮K/Admin/Talk 01:30, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Conservative Bible Project

What education have you had in the ancient languages of the Bible, and the ancient languages spoken during Biblical times? Some of your recent edits to the Matthew pages suggest that your background is more extensive than is generally appreciated.

The administration is probably going to place me in charge of the project. Assuming that this will happen, I will need to know as much as possible of the linguistic background of anyone who wishes to act as a translator.--TerryHTalk 14:02, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

I have taught, at the college level, Biblical Hebrew, Biblical Aramaic, New Testamenent Aramaic (Syriac), and am knowledgeable of Koine Greek of the New Testament and the influence of semitisms upon it. I speak modern Hebrew, a development from, among other things, the Mishnaic Hebrew which is helpful in New Testament studies. The very best to you in your job heading the translation projectBert Schlossberg 15:41, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Well! Pleased to make your acquaintance, then. I think you need to understand something: I had no idea who you were, beyond that you were an authority on an unfortunate incident involving an airliner blasted out of the sky by the forces of the old Soviet Union.

It goes without saying that I want you on my Committee on Translations.

Let me explain the thinking behind my approach to translation. You see, I sought to translate the Bible into not just good English but idiomatic English. that means, for example, translating phrases like "See thou to it" to "That's your problem" or "This is your responsibility" or "Let it be on your conscience," as you can see with how I handled Matthew 27. That's also why I decided to use American or British equivalents of weights, measures, and money where I did. The exact worth of a Roman denarius, sestertius, assarium, or quadrant isn't important. What's important is what Jesus was trying to convey with His use of the weights, measures, and coins of His day.

I'm explaining these things to you because, if we're going to work together, we each have to understand where the other is coming from.

Tomorrow I'm going to make a series of announcements. This project has been a piecework exercise for too long; it needs coordination. I need to know from you how much time you can spare to the project.

I have another request, though I'll understand if you have to decline. As you may or may not know, I am also the deputy administrator and developer of CreationWiki. Another thing you need to know is that CreationWiki is trying to be a multi-lingual project, like Wikipedia. Nearly two years ago we tried to extend CreationWiki into modern Hebrew. But something went wrong with our server, and all the Hebrew content was lost—and the editor we had, who was proficient in Hebrew, lost interest in the project.

I'd like to take another shot at a Hebrew extension. To do that, I need help, and specifically someone with the facility, and time, to translate our English content into modern Hebrew. So naturally I'm asking anyone I run across, who speaks modern Hebrew, if he's willing to help, or knows another Hebrew speaker who might be. And now I'm asking you.


--TerryHTalk 20:07, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

O.K.,Terry, I read through Matt. 27 and thought about what you wrote, and I think that I can work with you, and take my cues from you about getting it into idiomatic English. Bfut I need to explain something to you.I am heavily involved still with KAL 007 and presently direct the International Committee for the Rescue of KAL 007 Survivors and I am the bishop of a small but active English speaking communion of the Aramaic Church. So the time I have is limited. Therefore Creation Wiki is out for me. Sorry! But I want to be part of the Bible translation project but concentrating on passages which as yet have no "proprosed translation" (I would like to start off with passages from the Epistle to the Hebrews). I don't think that I can tell now how much time I can dedicate, but I think I can say that I will be pitching in with the translations on a continuing basis. Also, I could serve as a resource person in translation doing the sort of thing languagewise that I have been doing. So, if it's O.K. with you and the powers that be, I'm on board.Bert Schlossberg 22:26, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Excellent! I quite understand the limitations on your time.

For now: You wanted to work on the book of Hebrews? Good–I'll give you that assignment.

We'll use the page Talk:Conservative Bible Project as our "desk." Watch for my announcement on that page, and reply to me there, please.--TerryHTalk 08:41, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

Will do. See you on the Conservative Bible Project talk pageBert Schlossberg 08:56, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

New guideline

Hey Bert,

I hope your Thanksgiving was good. Please be aware of our Guidelines regarding blocking. Non-Administrators should not be blocking for reasons of policy, or subjective reasons such as user name, unless such name is blatantly obscene. Communications from blocked users should be passed on to one of the Admins as well. Sincerely,

Geoff PlourdeComplain! 20:48, 28 November 2009 (EST)

Messianic Prophecies - copied from book?


I was just putting Bible Quote templates into Messianic Prophecies when I noticed that it looked a lot like what I remember of an appendix to Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict. I don't have the book on me right now, so I can't be sure; but it (especially the style of quoting the Targums) sounds very similar. Did you copy this article from McDowell?

As far as I know, it's perfectly fine to use the quotes he's assembled as long as we rearrange them (as I've done) and add more (as we definitely should do). However, using his commentary on the passages (such as "Often it is said, rather dogmatically, that "God has no Son" in Judaism. But this is not true...") is a violation of copyright law unless we actually have McDowell's permission; so, we'd need to greatly edit the article.

Still, thanks for starting this much-needed article. I'd appreciate if you could respond at your earliest convenience and, if it was copied, help me re-write the commentary to fix the copyright violation.

--EvanW 10:46, 4 December 2009 (EST)


The article is not a copy of Josh McDowell's book, it is taken from a Roman Catholic Israeli site. I think that I can work on it some, but there is a problem in just how far I can go. The actual Scripture verses that are used are well known and appears almost everywhere. Of course, the wording of the Scriptures cannot be tampered with. Lesser known is much of the quotes of the Commentary - taken from the Rabbinical literature. But these, too, can't be changed. Yet, I feel that they should not be left out. I have added one or two of my own commentary, but I decided to leave all the rest of the non citation commentary as is because to make changes, could only be superficial and stylistic. I'll try to do some, though, and perhaps delete some commentary, as well, and afterwards, you take a look, and perhaps you can do more revamping. The Bible Quote templates add a lot to it!Bert Schlossberg 11:42, 4 December 2009 (EST)

I'm very sorry about my accusation. I found the (very interesting) site per your note. Of course, the Scriptures and the Talmud/Mishnah aren't under any copyright at all; copying them is great. But yes, let's try to make the commentary more original (web sites have copyright too...). I'll try to help out with that, and if you could help with the templates (just take a look at how I use them), it'd be great. --EvanW 12:07, 4 December 2009 (EST)

EvanW, I'v looked through the commentaries. Very little can be done as they are excellent and to the point. But I will do a "cosmetic" approach, the best I can do, to comply with copyright law. I'll get to it hopefully within the next few daysBert Schlossberg 17:30, 4 December 2009 (EST)


Superb! Your changes have increased readability and made your contributions more concise and focused, Bert! I know it isn't said enough, but thanks for your continued positive and informative contributions! --ṬK/Admin/Talk 07:07, 19 March 2010 (EDT)

You are welcome... and thank you!!BertSchlossberg 07:58, 19 March 2010 (EDT)

Andy's page

Your personal testimony was moving, and mirrors my own experience in hearing Billy speak, and finally getting to meet him personally. Like all great Prophets, Billy Graham has a way of making you feel he is speaking only to you, even though millions are hearing him. In person, you are instantly knowing he does know you, knows everything about you, and speaks directly to your doubts and questions. Thanks for the remembrance! --ṬK/Admin/Talk 20:09, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Yes, he's as you describe him!BertSchlossberg 22:58, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Always learning....

Thanks for your latest additions, Bert. You are indeed very focused, but I have to say there isn't one time where I have read one of your pieces that I haven't learned something new about a topic I thought I knew almost everything about! Today the World seems too eager to simply move on, all too soon. Bless you for keeping those poor souls alive in our thoughts, and exposing the truth. --ṬK/Admin/Talk 08:17, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

Thank you!BertSchlossberg 12:27, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

Korean Airlines Flight 007

If you want more web traffic to your Korean Airlines Flight 007 article, create a very good Korean Air article. conservative 05:03, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

Thanks!BertSchlossberg 12:35, 8 May 2010 (EDT)


Your articles are very interesting. I really respect you for your efforts and I hope the truth is uncovered. I also added categories to a couple of the articles in the series that were missing a category, I hope you don't mind. Taj 14:58, 21 November 2011 (EST)

Not at all. Thanks!BertSchlossberg 15:50, 23 November 2011 (EST)

re: KAL 007 article on main page twice now

Bert, I changed the name to KAL 007: Soviet stalk, shoot down, and rescue mission orders transcripts so it would more neatly fit as a title and put it on the main page on the left side. Conservative 08:54, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Bert, I found a way to include it in the "In the news" section too which is located at main page - right. So now it is on the main page twice. Conservative 09:06, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Putting own content into external links

Whilst some of your content on your blog is reasonable, I do think some others would think that it is quite inappropriate that you linkspam various articles with links to your blog. Dvergne 21:53, 22 November 2012 (EST)

I didn't think of that. What do you suggest?BertSchlossberg 21:55, 22 November 2012 (EST)
I don't really know unfortunately, It just seems like it is a bit of a conflict of interest if you know what I mean. Dvergne 21:58, 22 November 2012 (EST)
I think I'll not put any more up, and if someone thinks that it definitely is wrong, take down what is aleady up.BertSchlossberg 22:01, 22 November 2012 (EST)
Cheers, I personally have nothing wrong with what your are linking to, but it does look a bit inappropriate when a user is adding links to their personal blog. Dvergne 22:04, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Right. Got it. Thanks!BertSchlossberg 22:13, 22 November 2012 (EST)

It's not inappropriate. One page is deserving of being hassled? Whether we agree or not, the mainpage has multiple blog links. --Jpatt 22:46, 22 November 2012 (EST)
It is dozens of pages, and I must agree with Dvergne on this one. But Bert has promised to stop and invited us to remove the inappropriate links, so the matter is closed. Thanks, Wschact 02:10, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Bert, if your blog links contain pertinent instruction or education related to the topic at hand, then by all means post them. Karajou 02:14, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Particularly if the content is no-controversial. Otherwise it reminds me of a certain Court of Appeal Judge who used to write a lot of activist obiter dicta in his dissenting judgements. Then, years later, in judgments he would refer back to his activist obiter and say "there has been a significant movement in legal opinion on this issue" and use it as justification for his own views. --DamianJohn 03:30, 23 November 2012 (EST)
As I said above your links are quite suitable, it's just that others may get a negative impression of having a person link to their personal bloggage and thus get a negative impression of conservapedia. Dvergne 03:39, 23 November 2012 (EST)
There are two questions. First, if the content is central to the CP article, encyclopedic material should be added to the CP article to properly cover the topic. Second, articles should contain external links to the best available internet sources related to the article topic. Judging by the user page BertSchlossberg is an accomplished person who has written a number of valuable works. However, it would be better if other people made the judgment that his blog is among the best external links that are appropriate for each page. When an editor adds material to an article, other people can edit it further and it becomes a community product. When an editor writes on a separate blog, it is his own viewpoint, priorities and phrasing. An author cannot be objective about his own blog, so it is best to leave it to others (regardless of the quality of the blog or its relevance to the particular CP page.) Respectfully, Wschact 07:47, 23 November 2012 (EST)

KAL 007

The formatting of the KAL007 article looks like a dogs breakfast with random bits bolded and italicsed as well as pictures missing and massive gaps between paragraphs. Given you are the author of the article I suggest you are the best person to fix it. Also given the length of it I believe it should be split up with some of the less relevant sections moved to sub articles.

Your main Korean Airlines Flight 007 article ranks #3 at Google USA which is a pretty good ranking.
I did some formatting improvements so perhaps it might move to the #2 Google USA position over time. Specifically, I restored two usable pics (the other one was too blurry) plus added another pic to a sub KAL007 article. Please don't bold whole paragraphs in the future. It makes articles harder to read. Conservative 21:52, 20 December 2012 (EST)

I took out some of the bold print, deleted a small section, I'll see what can b done about moving some material to a sub article. You mention the article as being in the 3rd position in Google USA. But I see the website of the International Committee for the Rescue of KAL 007 in the 3rd place, not the KAL 007 article of Conservapedia. Thanks for your work! BertSchlossberg 23:16, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Whyalla Airlines Flight 904

I noticed that a lot of your articles contain the incorrect claim that there was never water ditching in aviation with no survivors. In Whyalla Airlines Flight 904, all passengers and crew perished after the engines failed and an emergency water landing was attempted. Also, the miracle on the Hudson was impressing, regardless of precedent: The numerous failures required paying the utmost attention to a barrage of warnings, all while landing on a river and hoping that the current was just right to allow emergency landing. Also, most, but not all of the events listed involved aircraft with engines above the wings, and precedent shows that water landings with aircraft that have engines below the wings+line of the main fuselage have lower survival rates; none were partial double-deck planes, which would cause the plane to sink nose-down quickly in water. (The KAL 007 was a heavy partial double-deck 747, a passenger jet most ideal for water ditching would be a DC-9: ideal engine placement, single deck)

Here's the final report for Whyalla Airlines Flight 904:

IluvAviation (talk) 09:19, 26 March 2017 (EDT) (Not a troll, just an aviation geek)