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What do you think of this edit?[1] --1990'sguy (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --David B (TALK) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

move request / delete request

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete Spacetime and rename Curvature of spacetime on top of it.

SamHB (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --David B (TALK) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
Okay, done --David B (TALK) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

"Dewey Defeats Truman"

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" Chicago Tribune article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --David B (TALK) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
The Harry Truman article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --1990'sguy (talk) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --David B (TALK) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
The proposed use of the photo to decorate the Fake News article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the Tribune or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the Tribune (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the Tribune) "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. JDano (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --David B (TALK) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

Conservapedia IRC channel

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. Conservative (talk) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --David B (TALK) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. Conservative (talk) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --David B (TALK) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --David B (TALK) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia
Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --David B (TALK) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Here is a web client link, too, if that's easier. --David B (TALK) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

Image typo

Hello DavidB4, would you please move File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "Fake news"? (for the latter, so Fake News -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --1990'sguy (talk) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --David B (TALK) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
All done, with Andy's help! --David B (TALK) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

Merge cats?

Do you think Category:Weaponry and Category:Weapons should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --David B (TALK)

Would you also please move the article Occupy democrats so the "D" is capitalized? --1990'sguy (talk) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

Good idea, thanks! --David B (TALK) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

Moving Pages

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on Titus on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on Epistle to Titus, a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled Titus Flavius Vespasianus (the emperors full name), and Epistle to Titus should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.Korvex (talk) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)

Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --1990'sguy (talk) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)

I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.Korvex (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --David B (TALK) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

Since you moved the Roman emperor to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, the article Titus has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving Epistle to Titus to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the Titus page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.Korvex (talk) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete Titus before Epistle to Titus could be moved there anyway. I made Titus a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as User:Jpatt, User:Karajou, or User:Aschlafly. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --David B (TALK) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to User:Jpatt.Korvex (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under Titus, I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --David B (TALK) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
You've already done enough by redirecting me to User:Jpatt. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, and rename the page Queen Gorgo of Sparta to simply Gorgo of Sparta. Both requests have been granted, Titus is now a page for the biblical book, whereas Epistle to Titus simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks!Korvex (talk) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article St Gall to St. Gallen? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete St. Gallen, revert the change to St Gall, then preform the move. --David B (TALK) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages --David B (TALK) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move Tiberius to Tiberius Caesar Augustus, the full name of the emperor, and make it so that Tiberius is simply a proper redirect page?Korvex (talk) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

"Anti-Trump" article

Would you please move the article Anti-Trump to Never Trump movement? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from Opposition to Donald Trump. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --David B (TALK) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--David B (TALK) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

Picture Upload Requests

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

Thanks.Korvex (talk) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --David B (TALK) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.Korvex (talk) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to so I can document it. Thanks! --David B (TALK) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
Of course, if I receive permission from, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding Magdala, which will be even better.Korvex (talk) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg and File:Magdala Stone.jpg --David B (TALK) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now; Korvex (talk) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

Uploaded as File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor Conservapedia:Image upload requests--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --David B (TALK) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
Gotcha! Thanks a lot.Korvex (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
Good news. I received a response e-mail from, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.Korvex (talk) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).


Do you think this article has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --1990'sguy (talk) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --David B (TALK) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)


Hello. I was considering a move option for the page Exodus of Israel. I was thinking of moving this article to The Exodus, and using Exodus of Israel as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that The Exodus is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from Exodus). So, I thought that The Exodus would be a superior title, and thus we should move Exodus of Israel to The Exodus. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --David B (TALK) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- Acre is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?Korvex (talk) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --David B (TALK) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Ref help and suggestion

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --David B (TALK) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Regarding Ransomware

I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.

1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
2. Reinstalling Windows.
3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --Pious (talk) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
  1. Not going to work, as explained.
  2. That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
  3. Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
  4. Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
  5. Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is DriveImage XML (which is free for private use).
It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like Hiren's BootCD). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.
For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good Anti-virus software and perhaps anti-malware software, like Spybot Search & Destroy.
A more radical option you could use is to switch to a Linux system. Linux Mint might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.
I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --David B (TALK) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

Congressman John Fleming

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? Dustygram (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)

Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a Creative Commons license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --David B (TALK) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)


Is there any chance you could review the edits of this editor? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --David B (TALK) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)


The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --Anglican (talk) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --David B (TALK) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --Anglican (talk) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --David B (TALK) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

"Coat of Arms" of Turkey

Hi. Turkey doesn't have a "coat of arms", but "national emblem" on the flag (star and crescent) is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - Andrewlee (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)

The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --David B (TALK) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
Yes, it will definitely be true. - Andrewlee (talk) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some other examples). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --David B (TALK) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

D.T. achievements article question

The article I'm working on, Donald Trump achievements, is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

Unrelated, would you please correct the title of File:John Flemming.jpg (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:

The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. JDano (talk) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --David B (TALK)
OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)
I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--David B (TALK) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are Oath Keepers, Vow, and American Patriots. It might also a good idea to check the categories of Conservative values. Would you please do these things? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --David B (TALK) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --David B (TALK) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)


It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--Nathan (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --David B (TALK) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
He appears to have been some type of parodist.[2] --1990'sguy (talk) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --David B (TALK) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.

So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. AlanE (talk) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --David B (TALK) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
Thank you for your kind words.
BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
I need someone to get rid of the title Joseph Belloc so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) AlanE (talk) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

Cleaning up after the blocked users

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from this website. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --David B (TALK) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --David B (TALK) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--David B (TALK) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --David B (TALK) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 here, but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior here, including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle.  :-) SamHB (talk) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)

In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.
Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.
I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. Conservative (talk) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

Useful links


Hello, DavidB4, and welcome to Conservapedia!

We're glad you are here to edit. We ask that you read our Editor's Guide before you edit.

At the right are some useful links for you. You can include these links on your user page by putting "{{Useful links}}" on the page. Any questions--ask!

Thanks for reading, DavidB4!

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. Conservative (talk) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. JDano (talk) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible

Some cookies to welcome you! Face-smile.svg
Welcome to Wikipedia, Conservative! I am This lousy T-shirt and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for your contributions. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out Wikipedia:Questions, or feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or type {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. Conservative (talk) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --David B (TALK) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.Conservative (talk) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --David B (TALK) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --David B (TALK) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --1990'sguy (talk) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --1990'sguy (talk) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --David B (TALK) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. Conservative (talk) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: Google images - Welcome fruit baskets. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at:

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at:

I hope this helps. Conservative (talk) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)


I sent you an email about a question I have. --1990'sguy (talk) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

I sent you another one. --1990'sguy (talk) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
Replied --David B (TALK) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

I sent you an email several days ago, but you haven't responded. Maybe you didn't intend to, or you're taking your time to respond, but I just want to be sure you got it. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:56, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

I read it some time ago, but it seems I forgot to respond... My apologies! I've sent you a reply now. --David B (TALK) 00:54, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

Image question

I was also looking to add an image to Rare (company), hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --Anglican (talk) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --David B (TALK) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that these terms (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --David B (TALK) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --Anglican (talk) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --David B (TALK) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

Gender ideology

Hi, you reverted my last contribution in here that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --AK (talk) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

BTW, I restored the page. --1990'sguy (talk) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --David B (TALK) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

Move requests

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: Category:Globalist to Category:Globalists, and Category:Nationalist to Category:Nationalists. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --David B (TALK) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: Category:Media personalities to Category:Media Personalities, and Category:High schools to Category:High Schools? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --1990'sguy (talk) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

Done. The images in Category:Media personalities were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --David B (TALK) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)


Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: this proposal. Many thanks, JDano (talk) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

IP blocks

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. DMorris (talk) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --David B (TALK) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

Copied article

A lot of the article Steppenwolf appears to be copied from the Wikipedia version. Should it be deleted? --1990'sguy (talk) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the talk page awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --David B (TALK) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

Delete article?

Should we delete this article: Julia Gasper? --1990'sguy (talk) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --David B (TALK) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --David B (TALK) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

Your input

Is this a bad edit: [3]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

I've been pondering the same question. merriam-webster doesn't really specify, although some other sites like wordnik do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --David B (TALK) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? Peregrin Chronicles? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their kickstarter didn't get much support, either. --David B (TALK) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [4] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --David B (TALK) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
The accusation from that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --David B (TALK) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. John 1:12 and Romans 10:9-13 are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --Abranch (TALK) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)
That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs! Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far! --David B (TALK) 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's an article that might need a page move: Homework --1990'sguy (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for pointing it out! --David B (TALK) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

Email spam?

Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --1990'sguy (talk) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise. I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right. My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --David B (TALK) 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, I think that's it. A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish. I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason. I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --David B (TALK) 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

Your welcome message

On the user talk page User talk:NeilG, someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.

Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.

As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as THIS COLOR or a light parchment color such as THIS COLOR.

In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. Conservative (talk)

Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it. I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme. I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue. I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --David B (TALK) 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
Is this more like what you were thinking of? --David B (TALK) 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

Image copyright

Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [5] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the Southern Poverty Law Center and Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights articles? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
It sounds to me like we can use that image. They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness. This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this. It should be fine to go for it.
I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it. Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --David B (TALK) 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't. However, some browsers hold information from past pages. I'm using Vivaldi, which does this. In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits. I think a number of them do this, including Firefox. I don't know if this works for you.
Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be. The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly. Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided. It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software. However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack. I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes. Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --David B (TALK) 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point. I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment. --David B (TALK) 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

As requested, uploaded as File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg --David B (TALK) 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

Move request

I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move to Breitbart News? That is how they refer to themselves. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)

Sure, done! Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --David B (TALK) 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:

Done, but Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow is protected and could not be moved

If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)

In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at Conservative news websites to show up at the top of the article? --1990'sguy (talk) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that. I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time. Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --David B (TALK) 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
Also, it appears that File:567rugyhj.png is protected, so I cannot move it. It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --David B (TALK) 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)
I think that's everything, except for some pending unlock requests. --David B (TALK) 15:55, 1 December 2017 (EST)
If you would move File:Gwtgg.jpg and File:786980.jpg (as well as the code on the articles they are linked on) to titles that make sense before Andy re-protects them, I would appreciate that. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)
I wanted to do just that, and said as much to Andy. However, unlike the others which he completely unlocked, he left move protection on those files, so I'm assuming that he does not want them moved. I can't, so I didn't. It's a good suggestion, though. --David B (TALK) 16:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move The Battle of Sunshine Church to Battle of Sunshine Church. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:40, 6 December 2017 (EST)

Should Worst Liberal Video Games be moved to an essay? The other "Best" and "worst" articles are essays, so it might make sense to move this. Also, this article has no categories. --1990'sguy (talk) 10:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Yes, Category:Video Games should be added to it at the very least. It was your discovery, so I'll leave the categorization to you. Moving this page to essay namespace makes sense to me--"best" and "worst" are very subjective, so I see no reason not to move this. However, since it is a higher-traffic page, I wonder if the move template should be placed on it first for a little while so people have time to comment and discuss it if they want. --David B (TALK) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (EST)
It might be a good idea, though at the same time, I'm sure that most page viewers don't have editing accounts. By the way, I just saw that Greatest Conservative Video Games also exists, with the same problems as the other page. --1990'sguy (talk) 10:59, 12 December 2017 (EST)
Fair enough--I've moved both of them. I'll leave the redirects, though, to help channel the traffic. --David B (TALK) 12:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)
Thanks. I agree about keeping the redirects. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:36, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Please move Category:Rothschild family so "family" is capitalized. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:11, 31 December 2017 (EST)

I would have assumed that "family" would not be part of the proper noun on this. Have they become so well know that it has, though? --David B (TALK) 23:27, 31 December 2017 (EST)
Either way, it's a category, so per the naming convention, "family" should be capitalized. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)
Umm... right. I'm not sure why I missed that this was a category when I asked that. Anyway, I did your suggested move as you've already seen, though I missed deleting the redirect. --David B (TALK) 20:04, 2 January 2018 (EST)

Thanks for the message

To David, Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.

Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit. Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it. Thank you! --David B (TALK) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

Dealing with Hahalongboy

David: I am puzzled by your note on Hahalongboy's talk page. It looks as thought you may be taunting him. I would advise against this sort of thing.

Now I now nothing about what he is actually doing, or what the "Swans" band is, other than that it's pretty obvious I would never want to hear their "noise rock" (whatever that is) music. And I do not know what the "meme" is that you are talking about. That said, it seems that either

  • You find his behavior utterly unacceptable, in which case you should revert or delete it, and block him, or
  • You actually want to engage with him on the subject.

I would guess that it's the latter, since you know perfectly well how to block people. If so, I found what you wrote to be a bit impolite. If you can discuss with him how he can improve his writing, please do so.

You do not strike me as an impolite person, which is why I am puzzled that you seem to be speaking in riddles

There are people here who block people with incredibly impolite comments, often along the lines of "You just proved that we [presumably the Conservapedia editor community] are right about what liberals [of which you presumably are one] do." But you are not that kind of person.

SamHB (talk) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)

It was not my intent to specifically taunt him/her. However, they are clearly fooling around. "Haha Long Boy" is a harmless but pretty much meaningless "meme" (see: which was popular among certain millennials about a year ago. On their profile page they put the grammatical equivalent of "XD" which is supposed to represent a face with mouth open and eyes tightly closed in laughter. This user is not being overtly harmful, so I was granting them the benefit of the doubt. However, in response to their goofy (childish?) behavior, I decided to "toss it right back" to them and see what happened. I suspect this is a troll, but I don't know yet. It is my intent to not be unduely hostile, but to learn their intent at the same time.
Thanks for the feedback, though. I didn't say more to them at the time because I was still trying to determine their intentions, and didn't want to waste time on a troll. --David B (TALK) 23:18, 3 December 2017 (EST)
Fair enough. You obviously know way more about this than I do. I'll butt out now. SamHB (talk) 00:32, 4 December 2017 (EST)
I sometimes pick up strange knowledge which actually proves useful. I've seen this kind of clowning around on another site I administrate, too. I usually don't engage them, but decided to give this one a try. As you probably saw, I did decide, following your comment, that I should leave a proper welcome. It never hurts, so thanks for nudge! Anyway, Conservative decided to nuke things, so I guess he decided there is nothing to be gained from it.
Feel free to comment/interject/suggest/complain any time though! --David B (TALK) 02:45, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Image licensing

Hello David, I want to upload this image, but on the right-hand side, it says "All Rights Reserved." Does this mean I cannot upload the image? Or is it a good idea to ask the Lt. Gov. office or Patrick's campaign for permission to use it? Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 19:09, 17 December 2017 (EST)

Hi, It could be argued that to reuse it would be permitted under the fair use exception, but I try to avoid that here in particular. On Flickr, users specifically manage licenses, so this appears to be a deliberate act to restrict reuse. To honor that wish, I try not to use them. However, Fair Use is widely interpreted different ways...some might see it as completely fine in this case. It sounds like neither of us are confident it is acceptable, so probably you'd best skip it or ask them.
This image looks suspiciously like it could be a government-produced image--I wonder if it could be found elsewhere with more information. If the government made it, then it's in the public domain. --David B (TALK) 00:20, 19 December 2017 (EST)
Does this also apply for state government photos? I know (partially from experience) that Wikipedia frequently deletes what official state government images (found on state government websites), allegedly due to not being free to use. --1990'sguy (talk) 00:26, 19 December 2017 (EST)
You're right--some states do hold copyrights, while others release all right to the public. It goes state-by-state, and I couldn't find anything on Texas specifically. So asking them would probably be the best option. Thanks for pointing that out--I was oblivious of that until now. --David B (TALK) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I contacted the Office of the Lieutenant Governor Friday, and I am awaiting a response. On a different topic, please delete the redirect "Great Persecution" and move the article Diocletian persecution to it. The most common names for the persecution are either "Great Persecution" or "Diocletianic Persecution", and the current name is neither of these two. --1990'sguy (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2017 (EST)

Okay, thanks for the heads-up. I've moved the page as requested also. Have a merry Christmas! --David B (TALK) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (EST)
Merry Christmas to you too! --1990'sguy (talk) 11:46, 24 December 2017 (EST)


So, I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, and noticed you put a help message on my talk page back in April. I may want to start editing here. Is the Wikitext the same base language? And what would you reccommend I do to get started? Thank's, Adotchar (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2017 (EST)

Hello! We do use the same basic wiki language. We use MediaWiki, which is produced by the WikiMedia Foundation. A page on the basics is here, but if you know how to edit on WP, you should be all set for editing here. A basic summary of who we are and what we do is here, but an extensive guide is available in our manual of style. Lastly, here are our rules and our guidelines.
I know that's a lot of material, but hopefully some of it will be helpful. Other than reading up on any (or all) of that, just find something which needs improvement or creation, and edit it! Cite your sources, try to keep in uniform style, and avoid a liberal point of view. We do not specifically have a NPoV rule, so a "conservative bias" is permissible when it is supported by evidence. Otherwise, the safe option is to keep it neutral. You should also have the ability to create pages by yourself, without requesting permission.
You can discuss possible changes on talk pages, and may want to do so for larger changes, especially on larger, more popular pages. However, this is not required. For the most part, it has been my experience that others leave you alone while you edit, unless they see an obvious problem.
If you have any questions, you can always ask me, or you can try asking everyone on the community portal. I think that just about covers it, but if I missed something or if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help! --David B (TALK) 00:12, 19 December 2017 (EST)


Hello DavidB4, I noticed that we have two categories for the Tea Party Movement: Category:Tea Party Movement and Category:Tea Party. Do you agree that these should be merged?

Also, I think I mentioned to you sometime earlier about possibly merging Republicanism with Republican form of government. I will look into that soon. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:44, 27 December 2017 (EST)

Hello! Those do sound like good candidates to be merged--go for it! You did mention the "Republicanism" category issue, too. I would be fine with that merge as well. Thanks for doing clean-up! --David B (TALK) 22:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)

New Essay

I was thinking that this site needs a new essay on how Christians display morals and values that are antithetical to mainstream culture and all of its vices. Look at this article from the Babylon Bee:

It's pretty hilarious considering all of the sex scandals that are going on in Hollywood these days. Kirk Cameron definitely stands out from mainstream Hollywood actors by being faithfully married to his wife Chelsea since 1991. If you notice, I added several Christian songs to the "Greatest Conservative Songs" that not only promote Christian values, but also are the antithesis of modern mainstream Hollywood and Liberal values. Shobson20 (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (EST)

That is a good article, and it would be great to have something written on it. If you would like to write an essay on the subject in general, go for it! It is amazing for foreign christian beliefs are to secular ones sometimes. People don't usually become Christians expecting to be come polar opposites of the norm, but through the work of God's spirit, they in many ways do. Then the world is shocked that these Christians do respect people, abut do not engage in their vices. Many of the world's problems (drunk driving, sexually transmitted diseases, selfishness leading to communist leanings, unwanted pregnancies and single parenthood, etc.) are largely eliminated by the Christian lifestyle. I would be interested in reading an essay on this general topic, if you write one!
Just go ahead and pick a title, then create the page and write it! As long as it holds to Conservapdia's "commandments," you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want with it. (Rule #5 does not apply on essay either, though I personally prefer to let the reader make some informed decisions of their own.)
There might also be some article on the issue of sex scandals, though the only page I could find on the subject was "Atheism and sexual immorality". This article and a related blurb might be something which could benefit such a page. It would not be opinion, but verifiable fact. --David B (TALK) 08:56, 28 December 2017 (EST) Here is the new essay, I would like input from other Conservapedians, so anything you could do to increase the visibility of this page would be appreciated. Shobson20 (talk) 10:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)
Essays are typically edited only by the author, unless a special exception in made. Therefore, out of respect for your work, people will probably do no more that comment on the talk page. Is this what you want, or would you prefer this to be an open page, like Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs? IF it is open to anyone, you may want to specify this at the top of it, or at least on the talk page.
As for getting input from others, I've had limited success doing this in the past, unfortunately. However, one thing you could try is posting about it on the Community Portal to see if anyone has input. I see that 1990'sguy has already chipped in, too which is good! It seems he has understood your intent for this to be an open essay, as I suspect you want. --David B (TALK) 10:54, 28 December 2017 (EST)

Potential edit war

On this page: MacTavish moved Home Alone 2 to the "Debatable Whether Great Section" and personally accused the movie makers of having "Hollywood Greed." I think that statement is too vindictive and accusatory, so I changed it, but he's probably going to change it back. I don't think his statement is appropriate for CP.

I recommend either going to the essay's talk page or MacTavish's talk page and talking it out. It's the best way to solve conflicts like this. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)
Agreed, that's the place to discuss it, since interested people are more likely to see it. I'm happy to weigh in though. --David B (TALK) 19:08, 28 December 2017 (EST)
He just removed my message from his talk page Shobson20 (talk) 01:28, 29 December 2017 (EST)
So I see--that does seem a little odd.
I don't see why it should be "debatable," but here we are debating it, so perhaps it does belong in that section. I was hoping we might be a response from him, but I guess he doesn't feel like talking. --David B (TALK) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (EST)

Greeting for new editors

You did a fantastic job as far as creating the updated greeting for new editors. It looks great.

Thanks for using a few of my tips regarding the color scheme. Conservative (talk) 16:05, 29 December 2017 (EST)

You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestions! It's still not perfect, but it seems pretty good to me. I'd also like to automate the entire thing, so it auto-fills username, signature, etc. but so far haven't been able to do it quite right. At least it works manually though! --David B (TALK) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (EST)

comment about my account

Although I have done most of my work on one particular page, that is because I only recently updated my account.

If you will check my user history, I recently updated the article for Atlanta Hawks (providing a brief history of the team's origins and many relocations) and also for the Atlanta article (updating a very old article to reflect a change in sports team status since the Atlanta Thrashers have relocated to Winnipeg, and to also mention a prior NHL franchise in Atlanta which also moved).

My plan is to ultimately moved articles that I have written on your competitor's website (one of which was flagged for "notability" solely because it involved a derivative work of a Christian novel whereas other similar articles were not, clearly showing their liberal bias) to this one (your guidelines say that I can do so if the work is mine). The article I wrote here is one, about a novel by one of the more prolific Christian fiction writers, that would be likely deleted there because of their anti-Christian bias.

Quidam65 (talk) 19:13, 8 January 2018 (EST)

I have responded to you on this page: Talk:The Chance (Karen Kingsbury book). In short, I made a mistake (two actually) and you are more than welcome to publish this material here. For some reason I don't quite understand, we don't really used "AFD" pages anymore even though our templates link to them, so I also linked to that AFD page from the talk page. I apologize for this mix-up--let me know if there anything helpful I can do for a change. --David B (TALK) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (EST)

Image copyright (2)

Hello David, would you please check and see whether it is OK to upload these two photos? The licensing for these two is a bit confusing: [6][7] If it happens that it's OK to upload them, would you please do that? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:52, 15 January 2018 (EST)

Familiar with seeing one or maybe tow license templates, I was chuckling by the end of the first image's page, having seen 5 of them, along with two others. What a mess! As best I can tell, they really don't know. I think one of their many templates summed it up best "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." I can't say what they are licensed as, so I wouldn't try anything but "Fair use." You might be able to get away with "Fair Use," but since I can't even figure out where these came from, I wouldn't try. --David B (TALK) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (EST)
Honestly, I really want to upload these photos, so if there's any way to upload them, I will take that way. However, I'm short on time, so I won't deal with that for now. Maybe I'll ask Andy later.
BTW, would you please upload these two images: [8][9] The first one wouldn't upload because it said that I did not add an image though I did. Maybe it will work with you? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:46, 16 January 2018 (EST)
In addition to those images, please move Category:Homosexual activists in order to capitalize the "a". Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 15:11, 17 January 2018 (EST)
I just tried all the basic upload tricks, and nothing worked. I'm not just talking about these images either--I simply can't upload anything. It looks like a bug to me. --David B (TALK) 17:36, 17 January 2018 (EST)
Sorry to keep piling on requests -- I know you're probably as busy as me -- but posting them here at least help me to remember them so I can focus on content in the little time I have. I am very tempted to delete this newly-created article, as this person does not appear to be notable (only a singer from Puerto Rico, does not even have his own Wikipedia page). I would appreciate your input. --1990'sguy (talk) 10:13, 18 January 2018 (EST)
No apology needed! I've moved the category, as requested.
"Darell" is clearly a page needing attention. You can see the style issues, and the name should obviously be changes also. Those issues aside, I don't know anything about him, and can find only a little information about him elsewhere online. It doesn't seem to be a made-up topic, but almost everything about him is written in Spanish, so I can't verify accuracy. Since we don't have a specific "notability" policy, and this page does seem to be composed of original content, I probably would just improve it and leave it be. However, it could be that this is a promotion attempt, in which case it warrants deletion. I just don't know for sure, so I am hesitant to wipe it out. Please see the note on this topic in my e-mail, also. --David B (TALK) 14:45, 18 January 2018 (EST)
Also, thanks for cleaning up that redirect I forgot about! --David B (TALK) 16:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move Lazarus (Parable) to Lazarus and the Rich Man, as it is a better title. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:11, 21 January 2018 (EST)

Moved as requested. I'm indecisive as to whether leaving the redirect would be beneficial or not, so since in doubt, I left it. You can delete that if you want, it's up to you. --David B (TALK) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (EST)
I think keeping the redirect is fine. BTW, would you please take care of this, unless someone else does it first? --1990'sguy (talk) 13:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
Also, what do you think of Grace's edits in the Homophobia article? Do you think it's good, or is the intro section too short now? I would appreciate a second opinion. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (EST)
I am not especially comfortable doing the merge since I know nothing about the gentleman, but if no one else does, I suppose I can try to merge them. I think the homophobia intro was much better, but needed to actually specify the intended meaning of the term. I've added a sentence explaining this, and I think it's probably fine now. --David B (TALK) 18:19, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Should we move the article Christmas and Easter Catholic to "Christmas and Easter Christian", or should we create a new article with that title? I would imagine that the two terms are independently notable, but I could be wrong (and the editor who brought it up was not pleased at my response). --1990'sguy (talk) 09:35, 31 January 2018 (EST)

I don't know Catholicism very well, but these do seem similar to me. I just don't know if under their works-based salvation, there is some special obligation or rule that does not apply to Protestantism. Either way, whether a "mass" or a "service," this does seem to be a similar issue though. As for the name(s), I'm inclined to think that if there is a significant difference, this naming scheme is fine. However, it is a little odd to have one page an not the other. If we are only going to gave one, perhaps a more generic name would be appropriate. --David B (TALK) 11:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
OK. If you think it's best that we move the article, please do so since I can't do it myself. Otherwise, we can create a new article. Either way -- it was Quidam65 who brought it up. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (EST)
In addition to the email I sent you a few days ago, would you please look over the article Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK (title, layout)? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)
I'm no expert--if you think separating the pages them is better, that's fine with me. You probably have a better idea than I do. Anyway, I've posted on the talk page to see if anyone else has anything to say, first. --David B (TALK) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)
I will review that page, and look back at my e-mails. I must have missed it, because I wasn't aware of anything outstanding. --David B (TALK) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)
Regarding Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK, the title is cumbersome, but I have no better suggestions. I did revise the section titles, and reworded a couple things. Additionally, the intro is a little shorter than I would like, while the following section is the opposite. Other than that, the only issue I noticed was that there are spaces before the references. I didn't bother fix them, though--my bot will fix those on its next sweep. Also, I found your e-mail and will be in touch. --David B (TALK) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (EST)

More requests

Hello DavidB4, would you please move these categories to fix their cases: Category:Victims of homo-fascism, Category:Economic history. Also, I reminded Andy to unlock the images you requested. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:19, 3 February 2018 (EST)

In addition to the above, would you please check File:Miklós Horthy.jpg? On the original file, it states that "you must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Would you please make sure the file I uploaded meets that requirement? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:22, 4 February 2018 (EST)
Andy unlocked the files required for me to do the first requests, so I will be completing those soon. As for this image, I think what you have done will keep us all out of trouble. However, a couple minor things:
Images in the public domain can be used any way we want, without attribution--they are public property. However, as a courtesy to our sources, and to demonstrate to others that we have the legal rights to use them, it is CP (and WP) policy to explain briefly. What you have entered is a good explanation, but I would say that the author is the U.S. Federal Government, not Cserlajos. If you want to give that person credit, you could note that Cserlajos digitized the photo, though. Lastly, we have a list of templates for images which state the applicable licenses. You are not obligated to use these (very few editors here do) but they are available if you want to make things a little fancier. In this case, I would probably add the following to the top of the image page. This is entirely your choice, though.
{{USGovt tag
I hope this helps--let me know if anything is unclear! --David B (TALK) 10:14, 5 February 2018 (EST)
I did what you recommended. Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 10:19, 5 February 2018 (EST)
Looks good to me! I actually am waiting on one more unlock before I can do that last move (there is cascading protection locking it) so I will finish that later. Also, thanks for reminding Andy about the older unlock requests of mine! I'd lost track of them as well, so it might have been awhile before I remembered them. --David B (TALK) 10:27, 5 February 2018 (EST)
Done! --David B (TALK) 15:20, 5 February 2018 (EST)
Thanks! --1990'sguy (talk) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Would you please take a look at the article Homosexual Fascists? As I pointed out on the article talk page, the article throws the term "fascist" around too freely, and it labels (to the point of slander) people like Jorg Haider "fascists" (though Haider supported a more limited federal Austrian government). Is there anything to do about this? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

In addition to the above, would you please check the page Arius Raposas? Is it genuine or appropriate to keep? The account that created it is called "Athanasius", so it's odd that they created an article about an "Arius", but about someone totally unrelated to the fourth-century heretic. Checking that page is also relevant to this edit.
Also, what do you think about User:Cantante's pages? --1990'sguy (talk) 11:02, 7 February 2018 (EST)
I'm not a historian, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of Homosexual Fascists. I do hope that communism and fascism were not confused with each other, since they ultimately manifest themselves in similar ways. I am also a little concerned about the use of a Huffington Post article as a positive reference. I wish I could help more, but I really don't know much in this area. It certainly is a favorite thing as of late for liberals to throw around the term in psychological projection.
Arius Raposas looks like an advertising attempt. CP already shows as #1 result on several search engines for him, because the other results are apparently less reputable. You can see some more info about him on his LinkedIn page: where you can also see that he only had 59 connections. I say deleted it.
Regarding User:Cantante, I can't tell if these are good faith edits or not. It might be that s/he is writing about their favorite amateur rappers, or it could be that this is a promotion attempt. Either way, I doubt these pages are going to be of much value to CP. I just don't want to wipe them out if this is a good faith editor. --David B (TALK) 13:36, 7 February 2018 (EST)
For the Arius Raposas article, I would say definite delete (though I won't do it until you're confident it should be deleted). At the very least, User:Cantante's articles should be trimmed and improved, though I wouldn't mind deleting them (if he complains, we can restore them). Again, I don't want to do this without you agreeing.
For the homosexual fascist article, at least the title should be changed. I wrote CP's article on Haider a while back, and he's not a fascist (and whether he was even a homosexual is in dispute -- he had a wife). It is true, though, that the Left hated him while he was alive. The article could be used to show left-wing hypocrisy on this matter, by showing that homosexuality was widespread even among people they didn't like (or something like that), but in its current form, it reads like a socially-conservative John McCain (though that sounds like an oxymoron) wrote the article. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:13, 7 February 2018 (EST)
Sorry to keep posting stuff here, but in addition to the email I sent you, I would appreciate it if you would check the article Covenant Christian Coalition to see if it is plagiarized from Wikipedia or another website (it was created by yet another newly-registered editor). I recommend deleting the Arius article and asking Cantante about the other two articles, with the intention to delete or trim/improve them if he doesn't respond. --1990'sguy (talk) 12:28, 8 February 2018 (EST)
You don't need to apologize, though I might need too--I'm not having enough time right now to deal with each issue promptly.
1. Arius Raposas: I'm not convinced it should be kept, but I'm waiting to hear back from him now. My own ignorance of these foreign websites might be the problem, but when I do a web search and find only CP and a bunch of social media accounts, I am not filled with confidence. It sounds more like someone trying to build an online presence than someone notable enough to have others research them.
2. Homosexual fascist: I will differ to your judgment on this then. It sounds like you know some more about at least Haider, while I really know nothing at all on the subject. I trust you know what you are talking about! :)
3. Covenant Christian Coalition: This looks like an expanded version of [10] this page. I've asked on the talk page about original authorship.
4. I will reply to your email soon. --David B (TALK) 14:45, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Is it time to move Greatest conservative corporations and make it an essay? --1990'sguy (talk) 11:11, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Probably. It seems no one else is particularly invested in that page anyway. --David B (TALK) 11:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
Would you then please move it now? I agree that we should keep the redirect. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)
Umm... right. For some reason, I was thinking you were going to do it. I've moved it. --David B (TALK) 13:21, 14 February 2018 (EST)
I would if I could, but I don't have move rights, as you probably remember. Thanks anyway! I will reply to your latest email soon, when I get time. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:44, 14 February 2018 (EST)


Hello DavidB4, it seems that Category:Unions and Category:Labor Unions are duplicate categories. Is then OK if you merge them? --1990'sguy (talk) 13:37, 17 February 2018 (EST)

I also just found that we have duplicate articles Right to work and Right-to-work laws.
Also, Edwin R. Thiele and Edwin Thiele have not been merged yet. I would appreciate it if you would at least help do this. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:41, 17 February 2018 (EST)
The first two are done--good suggestions, thanks! The last one I suppose will attempt, but I know nothing about the man, so I'm afraid I will not do the article justice. --David B (TALK) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (EST)
Thanks. Maybe another editor is able and willing to do it. Would you please move the article Hilary Belloc per AlanE's edit summary comment in the article history? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:02, 17 February 2018 (EST)
Thanks for moving it. Would you please move the article The Forgotten Depression of 1920 to Forgotten Depression of 1920? Also, Anti-Saloon league and Anti-Saloon League are (almost) duplicate articles which should be combined. The former link should redirect to the latter. Would you please do this? Also, while most of what I wrote in my latest email to you were just statements, I did ask you one question. I would appreciate it if you would reply even though it's not too important. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:02, 18 February 2018 (EST)
Thanks for pointing out the Hilary Belloc issue--I was oblivious to the problem. I've also moved the 1920 page leaving the redirect, and replied to your email. I will work on merging this and perhaps the other article as time permits. --David B (TALK) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I will! Willow Smith (talk) 11:42, 21 February 2018 (EST)

Renaming of article titled "Conspiricy No. 5"

The actual name of the Third Day album is "Conspiracy No. 5". The original author simply misspelled it. Quidam65 (talk) 11:13, 23 February 2018 (EST)

Good catch! I've fixed it, thanks! --David B (TALK) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (EST)

Request to merge pages

There are two pages with virtually identical headings and all with the same text (likely someone didn't know how to do a redirect page).

The pages are "Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist" and "Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist".

Request that one be made the main page and the other a redirect, to make Conservapedia better for all. Quidam65 (talk) 14:25, 24 February 2018 (EST)

PS--Thanks for the fix on Conspiracy No. 5.

Another good observation. I've redirected the latter to the former. Thanks for pointing this out! --David B (TALK) 19:02, 24 February 2018 (EST)

Renaming of article titled "Castings Crowns(album)"

Again, another inadvertent misspelling (and grammatical error) by a well-meaning Conservapedian. The correct title is "Casting Crowns (album)". Quidam65 (talk) 21:20, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you! I've fixed it, though there is no redirect so the old name will not work anymore. --David B (TALK) 22:14, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Response to inquiry on redirect pages

In response to your inquiry, most of those "articles" are barely one sentence. That may be suitable for a dictionary but not for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, most of those "articles" did little more than discuss a subcomponent of the larger topic, such as your concerns about the various "bankruptcy" titled ones.

What I did, which I believe makes Conservapedia a much better site, is to consolidate all those smaller articles into one, more comprehensive one, which contains all pertinent information related to a topic. Quidam65 (talk) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (EST)

That makes sense I suppose, and we do discourage "stub" articles. However, it is also generally frowned upon to replace articles with redirects. This should be done with caution, if at all, and all material must be saved. I will look more into it, but please do be careful about this. Thanks! --David B (TALK) 09:57, 5 March 2018 (EST)

Yet another merger candidate

There are two similarly named articles. One is titled "Internet Crime" (note the capitalization) and contains a significant amount of information. The other is titled "Internet crime" and has virtually nothing in it (the history only shows two changes, one to create it in 2009 and the other to lock it almost immediately thereafter). My suggestion is to unlock the empty article (which you admins can do) and turn it into a redirect page. Quidam65 (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

What I'm seeing is a redirect under the name Internet crime which points to Internet Crime. Internet crimes is an identical redirect, also. Am I missing something? I don't see a protect page. --David B (TALK) 01:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)
Here's another category that could be merged: Category:Supreme Court and Category:United States Supreme Court. We could make the first category a parent category of the second one, since we have the general article Supreme Court. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:38, 9 April 2018 (EDT)
Yes, that's another good one suggestion. Probably we should make Category:Supreme Court the parent, then sort out the entries inside of it to be accurate. --David B (TALK) 21:23, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

The Internet crime mystery--solved (?)

OK I figured out what is happening. It is a category titled "Internet crime" which is locked and has no pages showing it as a category. Quidam65 (talk) 10:16, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Thanks for the server update

It is greatly appreciated. Quidam65 (talk) 18:04, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Hacker keeps removing Andy Clay Harris

I have returned it three times to the board. The hacker uses the name MatthewLClark. Please block him. This is the text he keeps removing: {{Infobox person | name=Andy Clay Harris | image= | image_size = | caption = | birth_date=September 1, 1961 | birth_place=Resident of<br> [[Bossier City]], [[Louisiana]] | death_date= | death_place= | death_cause= | resting_place= | party=[[Republican Party|Republican]] | religion=Assembly of God [[clergy]]man | spouse=Sheryl Lynn Harris<br> Two children= | footnotes= }} '''Andy Clay Harris''' (born September 1, 1961)<ref>{{cite web|url=|title=Andy Harris (Clay)||accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> is an Assemblies of God pastor from [[Bossier City]] in northwestern [[Louisiana]], whose former congregation, The Church of the Cross, erected in 2009 a 199-foot [[Christian]] cross on the grounds of its sanctuary in Haughton. The silver cross is seen from various points about U.S. Highway 80. The son of a Bossier City builder-father and teacher-mother, Harris graduated from Bossier High School in 1979. He studied at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University<ref name=intelius>{{cite web|url=|title=Andy Harris: Bossier City, LA||accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> in Waxahachie, [[Texas]], the alma mater of the famous pastor [[John C. Hagee]] of [[San Antonio]], Texas. For a time, he was on the staff of ''The Gurdon Times'' in Arkadelphia, [[Arkansas]]. He also lived for a time, dates unavailable but prior to 1996, in [[Carson City]], [[Nevada]]; Miami, [[Oklahoma]], and Sarepta in Webster Parish, Louisiana.<ref name=intelius/> Harris completed an internship at his home congregation, the Broadmoor Assembly of God in [[Shreveport]] and was ordained into the ministry in 1985.<ref name=arrest>{{cite web|url=|title=Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|author=Nick Wooten|date=March 9, 2018|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> On March 7, 2018, Harris was arrested at his home for possession of [[methamphetamine]]s and drug paraphernalia and booked in the Bossier Maximum Security Facility, at which he posted a $5,000 bail. He accepted the pastorate of The Church of the Cross in 1996 and resigned after more than twenty-one years amid the arrest.<ref name=arrest/> He reportedly earned between $100,000 and $150,000.<ref> Police said that Harris was questioned on another unrelated, undisclosed matter when Harris revealed the drugs he had. Police found 3.5 grams of meth, a smoking device, and a snorting straw.<ref name=arrest/> A [[Republican Party|Republican]],<ref> Harris was pictured in ''The Shreveport Times'' with current state Senator [[Ryan Gatti]] of Bossier City and Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser.<ref name=arrest/> On the Sunday after his resignation as pastor, a letter from Harris was read to the congregation. He described his time at The Church of the Cross as one of "faith and victory" and long-term friendships with members who were "[[Salvation|saved]], healed, and filled by the [[Holy Spirit]]. We have loved and felt love by you all."<ref name=pastor>{{cite web|url= |title=Arrested pastor to former congregation: forgive me|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|date=March 12, 2018|author=Nick Wooten|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> Harris described his recent years in the ministry as like being in "a pressure cooker" with betrayals, sickness, and family issues. Harris continued, "A few months ago in a time of weakness I attempted to ease the pain in the way. I have [[sin]]ned, and I have [[God|the Lord]] to forgive me. I have asked my family to forgive me. And I am asking you all -- all of you-- to forgive me. ... Pray all the good the Lord has done through us will outshine the bad [[Satan|the devil]] has done to us."<ref name=pastor/> Doyle Dempsey, the secretary-treasurer of The Church of the Cross, described his broken heartedness, "Although we do not condone his behavior in this matter, we are all eternally grateful to Pastor Harris for his years of dedicated service to this church body. ... We are all just mortal men. One decision away from sudden destruction."<ref name=pastor/> In the wake of Harris' departure, the pastoral staff will rotate the ministerial duties pending the call of a new pastor.<ref name=pastor/>

David, someone else appears to have corrected the problem and identified the hacker. BHathorn (talk) 21:30, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

I'm glad it was taken care if quickly! That actually wasn't even hacking. They just created a user account and deleted the page contents. Do feel free to let me know if this happens again, but don't worry--it's easy to fix. --David B (TALK) 22:22, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

Great work on block and reverts

Thanks for the quick work on blocking and reverting the vandal!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:56, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

Thank you! --David B (TALK) 22:25, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

Need to update article title

The article title for Wally Amos Criswell needs to be changed.

First, the proper spelling of his first name was Wallie. Second, he was always better known by his initials, W.A. Therefore, I suggest that the title be changed to W.A. Criswell. Bcarlin (talk) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

Thank you, Quidam65, but Conservapedia forbids the use of "sock puppet" accounts. Please sort out your issues with the administration, rather than just trying to around them. I have fixed this issue you mentioned. --David B (TALK) 14:32, 22 March 2018 (EDT)
Would you please move the article Sebastian Pinera to Sebastián Piñera, since this title has the proper punctuation? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:19, 16 April 2018 (EDT)
Done. I'm leaving the redirect, since most people don't have "á" and "ñ" on their keyboards. Good idea! --David B (TALK) 00:37, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

Thanks for your help

Thank you for your help, DavidB4! Also, I apologize: I accidentally added two posts that were nearly identical to the Aschlafly "talk" page. Sorry for the mistake! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Questions (talk)

You're welcome! User:1990'sguy already fixed the issue, so you should be all set. --David B (TALK) 23:04, 8 April 2018 (EDT)