User talk:TK/TKarchive10

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Welcome back!--Aschlafly 18:58, 9 January 2008 (EST)

  • Thanks, Andy! --₮K/Talk 18:18, 10 January 2008 (EST)
OMG! (gags, retches, turns purple and passes out) --Ed Poor Talk 18:24, 10 January 2008 (EST)
  • If you went for that good pie, you wouldn't faint so easily! --₮K/Talk 18:37, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Welcome back TK! --Crocoite 13:46, 12 January 2008 (EST)

  • Thanks! Unfortunately, with my schedule, 80% of my editing was overnight, so I doubt I can help much, starting at square one as the Prodigal Son--₮K/Talk 13:56, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Great to have you back!...shoot me an email when you get a chance, your old one isn't showing for me. Luke 16:29, 12 January 2008 (EST)

  • Sorry Luke, I don't have your email, and you don't have it enabled through Conservapedia, it says. But thanks for the greeting! --₮K/Talk 22:47, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Ok, I enabled my email, that should do the trick. Luke 23:53, 12 January 2008 (EST)


Good work!

Like on the old days:

Keep going my friend. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 23:03, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

The same = Ibidem --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 18:11, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

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TK, I've been asked to invite you here to add your voice to the discussion. Philip J. Rayment 10:58, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


Welcome back Sir!--Ben Talk 13:57, 7 April 2008 (EDT)


I saw where you changed "biblical" to "Biblical". I'm of the understanding that adjectives are never capitalised, and I therefore always write "biblical". I don't, however, know if this "rule" is universally accepted, so I'm not going to revert you, but just thought that you should be aware that according to some conventions at least, "biblical" is quite correct. Philip J. Rayment 06:48, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, I was not certain, as you seem to be as well, old chap, but HelpJazz was the one who informed me it should be. You will need to check with him on the applicable rule. Cheers! --₮K/Talk 07:44, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I figured since it was Bible it would be Biblical, but I guess not. I would have checked, but it was late last night and I didn't figure either of us could change it anyway. HelpJazz 09:59, 9 April 2008 (EDT)


Thanks for the welcome TK! AdenJ 23:34, 9 April 2008 (EDT)


Why should Americans not be put under the Category:Americans? -- 50 star flag.png User:Deborah (contributions) (talk) 00:03, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

  • Because some have expressed concern about co-opting the name. Technically everyone in North and South America are "Americans". My previous decision on this, and to my knowledge Andy has not replaced me as the one to decide, was to label all things United States, with just that. So instead of Americans, we would use United States Citizens, etc. This is being discussed at this very moment. It isn't a big thing, as Ed Bot can rapidly undo anything done, but it will negate your edit count. ;-) --₮K/Talk 00:32, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Coulter and Edwards

How exactly was it not just Coulter. It only mentions her, it's not like he said "All women are stupid sinful people who are lesser humans and don't deserve the same rights".It just seems that it was only her he directed his comments at. --MrSmiley 14:44, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

For long?

I don't know of anybody who has the ability to check IPs that thinks you two are one and the same. That's not to say that nobody's has wondered about the possibility, but that's not what Bugler claimed. But the comment above does raise the question: although one would expect Bugler's IP to be in the UK if he's genuine, how do you, TK, know that it is? (And in case anybody wonders, I know whether they are or not, but it's not appropriate that I publicly say.) Philip J. Rayment 20:18, 16 November 2008 (EST)
  • And this is your business how, Philip Rayment? I have previously asked you to never post on my talk page. My Castle, my rules. If you need to communicate with me, please use the email link to the left, or just use your address book, you have emailed me dozens of times. If you don't want to do that, sorry. --₮K/Talk 20:24, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Did I say that it was my business? I was responding partly to Bugler's post; communicating with you by e-mail in this case is not appropriate. This talk page is for various people to post, and if I think it's appropriate that I do, then I will. Last time you returned it was supposedly under Geo's supervision. This time is not, and I will not be as reticent to block you as I was last time. Philip J. Rayment 23:11, 16 November 2008 (EST)
  • ~Yawn~ --₮K/Talk 23:14, 16 November 2008 (EST)
TK, any administrator can post on your talk page, and if you wish to revert the post after, that is in your discretion. You will have respect for administrators at Conservapedia if you continue editing here. Jallen 23:17, 16 November 2008 (EST)
  • ~Yawn~ --₮K/Talk 23:23, 16 November 2008 (EST)
For long TK did an extraordinary work for CP. Now, he deserves to be Welcome and respected. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 23:30, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Joaquín, you are indeed a good and honest friend. Thank you! But please don't speak out in support. I know they will exact vengeance on you for doing so, as before. I will keep in touch, and perhaps in another 7 months I will try to help here again. Hopefully by then the Lord will have intervened and some people will have left or been removed. --₮K/Talk 23:42, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Joaquín, I disagree with your assessment, but here is not the place to go into that. And note that despite being told to be respectful, TK repeated the disrespect, and added to it by claiming that others would be vindictive for offering support. That itself is a false slur. Philip J. Rayment 01:06, 17 November 2008 (EST)
  • You have received as much respect as you deserve, more than you do, and certainly as much respect as you give out, Philip Rayment. Sorry we disagree, but you have no rights, of and by yourself, to judge me. Matthew 7:1 --₮K/Talk 01:19, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Like most "liberals",that does not constitute a claim that you are one you misapply that verse. See here. Philip J. Rayment 09:17, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Category discussions

There's been discussion of creating a place to get broader community input for category changes, but nothing has come of it yet. I'm mainly just trying to get Special:UncategorizedCategories to a maintainable level.

Regarding Category:Energy, that's not the best place to put it, I agree, but I'm generally being as conservative as possible and not creating new categories until it's clear there's enough items to justify creating a new one. Anyway, "energy" usually means "energy production", and energy production is a subset of technology. --Interiot 17:30, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Use the link on my user page to glean some insight, Interiot, and from there you might also avail a look at Az's pages on it as well. I bring this up to you, because Schlafly asked me specifically to streamline and make the cats logical. There have been lots of starts and stops, since then. Az and I would have (almost) sold our souls to have the benefit of a wiki genius like yourself back then! --₮K/Talk 17:34, 21 November 2008 (EST)


I notice you've queried a couple of my category edits. Permit me to explain:

  • My rationale is simply that it makes sense for all pages, and all categories, to be categorized. Category:Everything exists as a home for top-level categories. I've been going through and adding what seem to be the most logical categories to pages that lack them. Most of the empty categories tend to overlap with existing ones that are used more, so I've been adding deletion notices to that effect.
  • American leaders: I still think this should be deleted, because even if such a category is wanted, Conservapedia style is to call it Category:United States Leaders.
  • Energy: Physics and Technology seem logical to me, though Category:Industry might also be good. If you disagree with any of my choices just change them, but please improve the categories rather than reverting the page to its uncategorized state.

Thanks and I hope that clears this up.--CPalmer 12:17, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Should also add that long-term the categories here need a lot of reorganization, particularly subcategorizing the pages in vast general categories like Physics and Biographies. I see giving every page a category as a logical first step to create a platform from which to build. Thanks again.--CPalmer 12:20, 2 December 2008 (EST)
  • I agree, which is why Mr. Schlafly asked me to coordinate the reorganization months ago. There has been discussion about this on Interiot's page, there is a link to category discussion on my user page as well, and at Azriphale's page on categories. Without some notice from an editor of their interest, that fact cannot be discerned, right? The reason I am coordinating, not dictating, is without that, the categories would be forever in flux, shuffled about as each editor, in their time, decided to reorganize them to their own sense of logic. Can you understand the reasoning here? People get frustrated doing them, and it is a rather frustrating task at times, I fully understand! What Mr. Schafly wants is to avoid removing all traces of American-centric categories, as this is an American encyclopedia. That is why I gave a start with the "United States _____" whatevers. I would sincerely appreciate your help, guidance and input. Just say how you wish to communicate, special page, email, IM, or whatever, and I will make it happen. I suppose Interiot will wish to continue to participate as well, and of course everyone is welcome to help. We just need to make a blueprint, and I can get Ed Poor to use his bot to mass move/rename cats. My only obligation will be to occasionally run problematic cats past Andy for his judgment. --₮K/Talk 13:04, 2 December 2008 (EST)
This user talk page is not the best place, but while we're here...
Many people need to go into multiple categories. Possibly as many as half of the people we have article on, are interesting because they are Authors. We'll go to their article to find out what they think, and what they've said or written. Some people have had interesting lives. Their Biographies tell us what they've done, and what's happened to them.
The point is never to assign an article to the single best category for it. Rather, it is to make sure that groups of related articles are assembled together where readers can find them. --Ed Poor Talk 12:57, 2 December 2008 (EST)
Happy to discuss in more detail wherever you think best - perhaps a Wikiproject along the lines of Wikiproject:News would be suitable? Some degree of coordination clearly is needed (as far as possible given the nature of a wiki-based project), but in the meantime can we agree that cleaning up uncategorized pages is a good first step? If they turn out to be misassigned later, the bot can pick them up along with any others.
Any discussion should also involve User:WesleyS, as he did the bulk of the work in categorizing the 1400+ uncategorized pages there were until about 3 weeks ago.--CPalmer 13:42, 2 December 2008 (EST)
I would also like to help with this project, with the limited time I have here. We seem to have far too many categories, in my opinion, so I am especially interested in eliminating categories with >3 or so pages. -DrSandstone 13:46, 2 December 2008 (EST)
Dr., the idea is to have many categories, the better able to search for articles with, make it easier for users to search for what they want, and not do what those who edit wikis would do, simplify and streamline it. We need to gear it to our student base, those who might not have the ability to think of what you or I know to be "the best" category for a given article. But I can understand how a few articles might be better re-classified into larger cats as well. --₮K/Talk 14:12, 2 December 2008 (EST)
I think I understand the vision. I guess my comment was actually about the wanted categories list, which has a number of wanted categories with one or two pages linked to them. But I will wait for the project page to discuss further, and look forward to this project. -DrSandstone 14:23, 2 December 2008 (EST)
  • CPalmer, I will create a page like that used for News, later tonight, and send everyone here the link, in case it is missed in recent changes. The initiative in putting all the needed pages into categories is laudable, and I certainly like initiative, but I also dislike needless re-working. I would ask, what is the rush? Can I count on you to put on your thinking cap, all of you, and give it a day, make a line chart of super cats, and what your ideas of the downline should be? Then, if I am super-nice, I might persuade the ever-busy Ed Poor to unleash his mighty bot, and save us all endless hours! --₮K/Talk 14:12, 2 December 2008 (EST)

No objection to omitting an under-populated category from an article, provided first the article is added to another (suitable) category. Bear in mind that sometimes it's good to keep a category with only a couple article in it, in the hopes that more article will be added. There are no knee-jerk solutions, and User:EdBot certainly won't be making and decisions based on a formula. Human judgment shall prevail (see free will). --Ed Poor Talk 14:16, 2 December 2008 (EST)

This all sounds very good - I'm happy to be involved.--CPalmer 14:20, 2 December 2008 (EST)
Likewise. I'll help with the project as much as I can. WesleySHello! 14:43, 2 December 2008 (EST)
  • Thanks guys! And Ed, is it possible to make a bot for me, one that could improve on my own judgment? I do so need a robot to get through this mail! --₮K/Talk 14:52, 2 December 2008 (EST)


Whatever you do, do not block my IP. I use a wireless network that is also used by others, and it is not fair to block them. --Tim (CPAdmin1)talk 20:16, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Tim, don't repetitively and excessive post a Parthian Shot, or the IP will be blocked.--aschlafly 20:17, 31 December 2008 (EST)
ok, now it is only on my page. --Tim (CPAdmin1)talk 20:19, 31 December 2008 (EST)
OK, thanks. Your user name has to change next, because it is misleading. Pick one that hasn't been taken and I'll move it automatically. (Don't login with the new name until after the move).--aschlafly 20:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)
TimS would be goodTim (CPAdmin1)talk 20:26, 31 December 2008 (EST)
TimIS if TimS is not available --Tim (CPAdmin1)talk 20:27, 31 December 2008 (EST)
TimS worked. Thanks.--aschlafly 20:33, 31 December 2008 (EST)
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